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Re:Study: No evidence of efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in h... by thedudeabides5 on Wednesday April 15, 2020 @01:30PM (#22880541)
This is a great comment thanks.

Title of the paper could (with a tongue firmly in cheek) be called, "Weak evidence for effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine but our sample was likely too small for it to pass a T-test"

Re:Study: No evidence of efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in h... by magicalist on Wednesday April 15, 2020 @02:44PM (#22881417)
> Title of the paper could (with a tongue firmly in cheek) be called, "Weak evidence for effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine but our sample was likely too small for it to pass a T-test"

It would be irresponsible to choose an experimental design (like significance level) and then use wishy-washy language ("weak evidence") to work around it when the study criteria aren't met.

This would be more akin to the headline from the press release for the study from the university PR office.

Re:Study: No evidence of efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in h... by dhimes on Wednesday April 15, 2020 @03:37PM (#22882071)
In the US the phrase "tongue-in-cheek" means "kidding."
Re:Study: No evidence of efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in h... by magicalist on Wednesday April 15, 2020 @03:46PM (#22882175)
> In the US the phrase "tongue-in-cheek" means "kidding."

I took that to mean they obviously weren't suggesting something so conversational as the actual title, but the takeaway is the same and shouldn't be a conclusion taken from the OP comment.

Re:Study: No evidence of efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in h... by sadfklsjlkjwt on Wednesday April 15, 2020 @01:49PM (#22880765)
Or better "We did a study with too few examples and did not get meaningful data"
Re:Study: No evidence of efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in h... by marcosdumay on Wednesday April 15, 2020 @02:38PM (#22881354)
This is the kind of study where it would be beneficial for it to be ignore. The correct headline is no headline at all.
Re:Study: No evidence of efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in h... by emn13 on Wednesday April 15, 2020 @06:57PM (#22884140)
Well, given the time constraints, and the fact that the previous paper was had a much weaker setup yet claimed efficacy, I think this paper is a good idea. Incidentally, it's not the only such paper; a chinese analysis from the early days came to a comparable conclusion.

Even based just on this evidence, the case for HCQ looks very, very weak. The only positive report was riddled with caveats that could easily explain a false-positive, and other reports see next to no effect.

Note that it's perhaps not so interesting whether it has some effect; for this to really matter, it needs to be somewhat significant effect (in the real-world impact sense, not the statistically measurable sense). And even a small sample can reliably detect large effects; several studies have now not found such an effect; ergo: it doesn't exist.

If HCQ has any benefit whatsoever as applied once very sick, the benefit is likely too small to matter much in terms of mortality. And it's unlikely to be relevant whether it works beforehand; there's no way to make enough to give it to everyone which is what you'd need to do if you wanted to significantly impact the pandemic if HCQ were prophylactic.

It seems very unlikely at this point that HCQ is going to matter much in the course of the pandemic.

Re:Study: No evidence of efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in h... by briefcomment on Wednesday April 15, 2020 @01:36PM (#22880624)
Wow, I would love titles like this.
Re:Study: No evidence of efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in h... by A4ET8a8uTh0 on Wednesday April 15, 2020 @01:50PM (#22880778)
I agree. I wonder if we could try to move click-baity articles under truth in advertising legislation of some sort.

edit: clarified it a little

Re:Study: No evidence of efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in h... by dwaltrip on Wednesday April 15, 2020 @03:54PM (#22882261)
It is not evidence (weak or otherwise) for the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine. Your version is misleading.
Re:Study: No evidence of efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in h... by rodonn on Wednesday April 15, 2020 @07:40PM (#22884470)
It is weak evidence for the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine. e.g. if you ran this as a Bayesian analysis you would find that these results should shift your beliefs towards it being more likely that hydroxychloroquine reduces deaths + ICU visits.

However you are correct that the medical community has decided to be conservative to reduce the likelihood people make decisions based on weak evidence. That may be the correct decision from a overall social welfare perspective. In that framework all we can say is "this experiment did not generate enough evidence to reject the null hypothesis".

Re:Study: No evidence of efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in h... by cscurmudgeon on Wednesday April 15, 2020 @02:43PM (#22881406)
"Weak evidence for effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine but our sample was likely too small for it to pass a T-test but it has a compound that was championed by a politician so it will be trumpeted far and wide by those who don't understand any of it and it will trampled upon similarly by those who don't understand any of it. "