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Re:New iPhone SE by tazjin on Wednesday April 15, 2020 @11:21AM (#22878780)
The old iPhone SE had two things that appealed to me (and anecdotally, that appealed to some of my friends):

1. it was small-ish 2. it had a headphone jack

Without those I don't see this as a viable followup product.

Re:New iPhone SE by developerdylan on Wednesday April 15, 2020 @11:41AM (#22879074)
It's still viable for most people. Most people will be okay with the included pair of wired headphones.
Re:New iPhone SE by motge on Wednesday April 15, 2020 @12:25PM (#22879660)
I use my EarPods with headphone plug on a number of devices. The one with the Lightning connector is only useable with Apple devices, so this is again a vendor lockin. This has to stop.
Re:New iPhone SE by KMnO4 on Wednesday April 15, 2020 @02:35PM (#22881312)
I just bought a few lighting-to-3.5mm adapters and leave them permanently affixed to my various headphones. Seems like a simple fix, versus perpetually being upset that I can't use my headphones on my iPhone.
Re:New iPhone SE by scarface74 on Wednesday April 15, 2020 @03:02PM (#22881672)
Yes because people are locked into a complete ecosystem even though there is a $10 adapter...
Re:New iPhone SE by whitebread on Wednesday April 15, 2020 @12:35PM (#22879785)
Feels a step too far to assume for most people. I agree with other commenters that the new phone is too big and left wanting due to no headphone jack
Re:New iPhone SE by tradesmanhelix on Wednesday April 15, 2020 @12:44PM (#22879896)
Agree. I was so excited to see this announcement and kept reading and reading to see if they had left the headphone jack :( I would have bought two _today_ if they'd kept the same outside and just updated camera + internals.

As it stands, not sure what I'll do as an updated SE was my last hope that Apple would continue making a phone with a headphone jack, but that was probably a pipe dream to begin with.

And please don't try to sell me on Bluetooth. It works OK 60-70% of the time in my experience, but it's super frustrating when it fails (esp. when trying to help older less tech-savvy relatives) and I often find myself just wanting to be able to plug in a darn cord. Ahh the good 'ol days...

Re:New iPhone SE by tazjin on Wednesday April 15, 2020 @03:48PM (#22882203)
> but it's super frustrating when it fails

Yep, plus my phone is just one of many devices that I connect headphones to and I can't be bothered to maintain a collection of adapters. Also, did you know that the firmware on the Lightning->3.5mm adapter can crash?

My basic point about Bluetooth audio is usually this:

In the absence of hardware failures, audio cables are almost 100% reliable. In the absence of hardware failures, Bluetooth still suffers from a variety of random issues.

Bluetooth has its place (I find it useful to walk around the house listening to stuff without carrying a device), but it's certainly not - and won't ever be - a replacement for audio cables.

Re:New iPhone SE by richardwhiuk on Wednesday April 15, 2020 @11:26AM (#22878843)
This is really a follow up to the iPhone 7/8.
Re:New iPhone SE by ben174 on Wednesday April 15, 2020 @11:36AM (#22878991)
Thus being referred to by the speculators as the iPhone 9.
Re:New iPhone SE by therealdrag0 on Wednesday April 15, 2020 @11:36AM (#22878985)
What're you using now?
Re:New iPhone SE by tazjin on Wednesday April 15, 2020 @12:18PM (#22879569)
I bought an S10e a while back because I didn't want to use iOS anymore. At the time it was the smallest Android phone with a headphone jack.

It's decent hardware, a little too large, and with some terrible Samsung-bloatware on it - not ideal, but there are no alternatives.