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Re:Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this... by floatingatoll on Sunday April 12, 2020 @01:17AM (#22846193)
Does this issue only affect T2 Macs and MacBooks?

If so, maybe a DFU restore is needed.

Re:Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this... by tbagman on Sunday April 12, 2020 @10:34AM (#22848507)
Confirmed; this is what happened to my 16" after this install. I needed to do a DFU restore (using Apple Configurator 2 -- you can download it to your hopefully spare MacBook from the app store) to get my mac back up and running. Unfortunately, for some reason, after the DFU restore, my 16" came back up to do a full reinstall, and I had to restore my files from backup.

Took a day, but all's well now.

Re:Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this... by bnt on Sunday April 12, 2020 @10:45AM (#22848568)
I hope Apple doesn’t expect that everyone has a “Spare Macbook” laying around. I’ve been experiencing random system crashes when anything connects via TB3, and 3 random Kernel panics since the update.
Re:Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this... by floatingatoll on Sunday April 12, 2020 @11:05AM (#22848687)
The SSD in a T2 Mac is encrypted in the same way that an iPhone is, so if the DFU crashes hard enough you’ll have to regenerate new keys and that’s equivalent to drive zero.

Glad it helped.

Re:Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this... by jplayer01 on Sunday April 12, 2020 @12:07PM (#22849118)
Is it possible to export a recovery key? Because this kind of failure simply due to a bad update shouldn't be acceptable.
Re:Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this... by floatingatoll on Sunday April 12, 2020 @03:07PM (#22850366)
No, it’s not possible to use a FileVault recovery key at this stage of repair.

It’s not failure, it’s secure by design to prevent attackers/governments from stealing your files without consent.

Under DFU brick and reset circumstances, the private key is gone, because otherwise an attacker could just upload a hacked firmware via DFU and access all your files.

I assume the installer uses a different process that performs a DFU upgrade-in-place that safely manages the handoff using signed code and such, but that’s not the process we get as a last restore described above.

If you don’t have off-device backups, you’re accepting the risk of losing all your data at any time due to any number of possible failures (software and hardware). Not much use getting upset about this specific case.

Re:Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this... by jplayer01 on Monday April 13, 2020 @05:15PM (#22860070)
Not sure what DFU means as I'm not familiar with Mac. With any other encryption, it doesn't matter what the state of my system is. As long as I have the key, I can always decrypt it. And it's not a vulnerability. Without the key, the data is effectively inaccessible for everybody else (except maybe somebody with a quantum computer).
Re:Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this... by pvg on Sunday April 12, 2020 @01:43PM (#22849789)
You get a recovery key when the original key is generated.
Re:Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this... by floatingatoll on Sunday April 12, 2020 @03:10PM (#22850381)
Yes: You can export a FileVault recovery key when enabling FileVault, whether on a T2 Mac or not.

No: There’s no opportunity to use FileVault recovery keys when you’re doing a DFU on a T2 Mac. If you have to DFU, your data is lost.

(edited to clarify per reply)

Re:Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this... by pvg on Sunday April 12, 2020 @03:24PM (#22850454)
That wasn't the question I was answering or was asked, I think.
Re:Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this... by ThePowerOfFuet on Sunday April 12, 2020 @12:25PM (#22849227)
No.
Re:Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this... by apfsx on Sunday April 12, 2020 @01:42AM (#22846294)
Do T2 Mac’s have DFU mode like iPhone’s? If so that’s news to me and pretty interesting.
Re:Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this... by morpheuskafka on Sunday April 12, 2020 @01:50PM (#22849837)
The T2 chip itself (runs bridgeOS which is like watchOS) do. It is used only to recover the firmware of the T2, AFAIK it can't be used to write to the SSD directly.

The checkra1n team recently showed that all Macs with a T2 chip are vulnerable to checkm8 exploit used to jailbreak iPhones, and this could persist for a while due to the T2 chip staying on between application processor reboots.

This allows override of mic disconnect (except on the newest models which switched to hardware disconnect), Secure Boot/Firmware Password, and allows you to bypass Apple's signing of Intel ME firmware, TB3 firmware, and CPU microcode. Whether or not there is still Intel signing after that is unknown, but there are already some sort of issues with the host key being leaked on that. The one useful feature I can think of is allowing SSD replacement (you still have to find a way to resolder ofc) and Touch Bar customization.

I think the most likely attack vector for this is an evil maid style attack where corrupted T2 firmware is loaded that rewrites the contents of the SSD while macOS is running to launch further exploit code on that platform.

The one thing not to worry about is if you have FileVault turned on with a password, that still can't be cracked because your password is not stored anywhere on the device. But the BitLocker-style automatic encryption with no password that just locks the SSD to that specific T2 chip isn't useful anymore.

Re:Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this... by apfsx on Sunday April 12, 2020 @03:45PM (#22850569)
hi, thank you for posting this. I was fascinated by the checkm8 exploit since I read about it last September. Completely unknown to me was that T2 Mac's were also vulnerable to this. With all the vulnerabilities that are now open due to this, i'm questioning was it even worth ever putting these chips inside Macbooks? In retrospect, would they have been better off just scrapping this idea completely? Because the way you put it, due to the checkm8 exploit the T2 is now practically useless in everything it was originally meant to do.
Re:Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this... by Shank on Sunday April 12, 2020 @02:17AM (#22846393)
Yes. It’s essentially an ARM A-series chip — it has firmware (BridgeOS) and does have a DFU mode. See https://help.apple.com/configurator/mac/2.7.1/#/apd0020c3dc2
Re:Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this... by FireBeyond on Sunday April 12, 2020 @02:58AM (#22846516)
Best have your spare MacBook available to do it!
Re:Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this... by nimish on Sunday April 12, 2020 @03:05PM (#22850352)
Love to need another $3000 machine to fix my $3000 machine
Re:Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this... by jedieaston on Sunday April 12, 2020 @03:22PM (#22850441)
Right now, yes, but in usual circumstances you could just borrow a friend's box, your IT department could fix it, or you could have a el-cheapo Mac (either an old one or like a Mini from 2010) that can run Configurator (which doesn't require a recent version of OS X, I don't think).

Still sucks, just a bit less. not really different than an iPhone, except that you can rebuild those on Windows (for now).

Re:Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this... by floatingatoll on Sunday April 12, 2020 @11:35AM (#22848871)
Desktop Macs should also be fine.

I wouldn't be surprised if Apple ships Configurator iOS someday, but today is not that day.