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Re:Let's Stop the 5G Hysteria: Understanding Hoaxes and Disi... by bjoyx on Friday April 10, 2020 @07:03AM (#22831790)
If we can’t trust epidemiologists to protect us from an epidemic why should we trust radio wave scientists to protect us from radio waves?
Re:Let's Stop the 5G Hysteria: Understanding Hoaxes and Disi... by TeMPOraL on Friday April 10, 2020 @07:19AM (#22831865)
You're wrong. We could and can trust epidemiologists. It's the administrative/political layer that fucked up.
Re:Let's Stop the 5G Hysteria: Understanding Hoaxes and Disi... by PudgePacket on Friday April 10, 2020 @07:59AM (#22832119)
I really want to. Just so much junk epidemiology that has come out of nutritional epidemiology.

A small sample.. https://www.zoeharcombe.com/2014/11/academic-studies-questio...

Re:Let's Stop the 5G Hysteria: Understanding Hoaxes and Disi... by pbhjpbhj on Friday April 10, 2020 @09:12AM (#22832643)
Hmm, I think the government scientists who've been front and centre on UK news have been peddling a politically perverted message. So perhaps we can trust their peer-reviewed output, but the "masks are useless" and "closing schools won't reduce infection transmission" messages came from scientists. Scientists are still human, and still will push their ideals and beliefs ahead of scientific non-falsehood.

Also, epidemiology is an interesting one. As in all public health there are balances, but moreso here. Often anti-antivax people will claim "vaccines are entirely safe" which is unscientific. Their goals are noble, but they discredit themselves because data on negative outcomes is pretty easy to come by. The temptation is the same, public health is served by convincing people to take certain actions (eg not buy masks, because they're needed by healthcare workers). Sometimes these actions are contrary to individual needs. Governments will need to tell people to do things that are against those people's best interests ("don't seek medical care") because those actions preserve the population. Epidemiology is about preserving populations, not about keeping individuals healthy. That means there's always a tension, and I don't think _one_ can trust epidemiologists, but _we_ can trust them in general.

Would you like to save lives? Would you lie, knowing 100,000s would die ... because there was a high probability that it could save millions, but also a possibility that the deaths wouldn't help, or wouldn't be necessary?

Re:Let's Stop the 5G Hysteria: Understanding Hoaxes and Disi... by bjoyx on Saturday April 11, 2020 @12:52AM (#22839717)
1. They should have stockpiled masks in advance of this epidemic 2. People can make their own masks at home
Re:Let's Stop the 5G Hysteria: Understanding Hoaxes and Disi... by crispinb on Friday April 10, 2020 @07:39AM (#22831982)
Not here (Aus). We're doing pretty well so far.
Re:Let's Stop the 5G Hysteria: Understanding Hoaxes and Disi... by crispinb on Friday April 10, 2020 @07:36AM (#22831959)
The epidemiologists seem to have earned our trust so far. The countries that have made competent attempts to follow their advice (S. Korea, NZ, Australia) are doing way better than those that haven't (the UK, US, Sweden).

(Unless you were thinking that they should be able to "protect us" without cooperation from their governments, but I'm having trouble seeing how that works)

Re:Let's Stop the 5G Hysteria: Understanding Hoaxes and Disi... by BenjiWiebe on Friday April 10, 2020 @08:54PM (#22838858)
Radio waves are a bit simpler. The formulas for RF stuff don't have to take human behavior into account.
Re:Let's Stop the 5G Hysteria: Understanding Hoaxes and Disi... by raverbashing on Friday April 10, 2020 @07:10AM (#22831826)
Keep yourself at home, use gloves and adequate masks. There's your protection

Or if you prefer to believe politicians, just hey, go outside and take all the chloroquine you want.