Airlines want to cancel rule requiring them to refund fares for canceled flights

Re:Airlines want to cancel rule requiring them to refund far... by clairity on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @06:01PM (#22807957)

stock buybacks are rarely perfectly neutral for all shareholders. it's essentially a forced reinvestment in the same company, which is good for shareholders who believe the company is undervalued and already hold stock. dividends allow you to diversify right away, but have greater tax implications.

the repurchased stock can also be held or destroyed on buyback, which affects the timing of the benefits.

and lastly, buybacks are primarily useful to executives for their signaling value (e.g., luring less sophisticated investors into buying).

the benefits are not uniform to every shareholder, especially through time.

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Re:Airlines want to cancel rule requiring them to refund far... by xyzzyz on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @06:19PM (#22808063)

it's essentially a forced reinvestment in the same company, which is good for shareholders who believe the company is undervalued and already hold stock.

How is it a "forced reinvestment"? Buyback requires two parties to the transaction, the company is buying shares, but someone has to sell them. This can be you. It would be forced reinvestment if the company just kept cash and never returned it either through buyback or dividend, which incidentally is what most people grinding against airline stock buybacks seem to be suggesting.

Really, stock buybacks and dividends are mostly equivalent, with the exception of the tax treatment, which is the whole reason why companies increasingly prefer the buyback route.

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Re:Airlines want to cancel rule requiring them to refund far... by dmurray on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @07:47PM (#22808718)

Instead of buybacks being a "forced reinvestment", it would be more accurate to say dividends are a forced divestment. If the company spends $1/share on buybacks and you hold 100 shares, you can either keep the shares or sell $100 worth and get cash instead. If the company gave you a $1/share dividend, you couldn't use that to buy $100 worth of stock, because taxes.

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Re:Airlines want to cancel rule requiring them to refund far... by clairity on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @06:28PM (#22808135)

not every shareholder participates in the decision-making behind a buyback, and in some cases they can't all participate in the buyback itself (especially with majority privately-held entities).

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Re:Airlines want to cancel rule requiring them to refund far... by xyzzyz on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @06:37PM (#22808210)

We are talking about publicly traded companies here. You can always participate in the buyback: just sell your shares, they're publicly traded, so there should be no difficulty. It doesn't matter much who's on the other side of your trade, as the arbitrageurs will ensure that the buyback is priced into the spot price.

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Re:Airlines want to cancel rule requiring them to refund far... by clairity on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @06:44PM (#22808274)

many companies have multiple types of stock, and only publicly trade a portion of their shares (i.e., not treasury stock) and often only certain classes of their stock. sometimes they trade less than half of the total shares, which is how you can have majority privately-held companies trading shares publicly.

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Re:Airlines want to cancel rule requiring them to refund far... by d1zzy on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @07:33PM (#22808621)

Also, to avoid insider trading issues, companies restrict the times in which shares are allowed to be traded by employees.

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Re:Airlines want to cancel rule requiring them to refund far... by jessaustin on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @06:41PM (#22808247)

Please tell us you're not a corporate accountant. Cash is an asset, and is the definition of "liquid". Shares are not. Excessive dividends prior to a downturn would be just as dumb as excessive stock buybacks.

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