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Re:How SEO Ruined the Internet by meesterdude on Monday April 06, 2020 @07:15AM (#22792667)
this x1000! By pandering to the algorithm of google, a lot of great content has become watered down, softened, or impacted in other ways. Titles have to be worded a certain way, article length has to be a certain length...

hoping someone else chimes in with other thoughts because I used to know more about this, and SEO cheapening quality content was one of the key takeaways I had.

Re:How SEO Ruined the Internet by owlninja on Monday April 06, 2020 @05:35PM (#22798130)
Recipe blogs are the worst! Just get to the goods already!
Re:How SEO Ruined the Internet by warent on Monday April 06, 2020 @07:40PM (#22799025)
Years ago when I was a child growing up in the icy woods of Alaska, my parents ...

... And that was when we realized that the kindling was all damp. What to do! Four hours we ...

... it reminded of our travels in Italy ...

... And that brings us to our famous three-ingredient peanut butter cookie recipe:

Re:How SEO Ruined the Internet by ip26 on Monday April 06, 2020 @11:57PM (#22800230)
I once came across a "world's most amazing curry recipe" that had two ingredients; rice, and a jar of storebought curry sauce. It was actually kind of tragic.
Re:How SEO Ruined the Internet by DeathArrow on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @02:13AM (#22800754)
Google has transformed any webmaster into a writer.

After a few years of writing recipes, one can transition to screenplays and novels. :)

Re:How SEO Ruined the Internet by taberiand on Monday April 06, 2020 @06:36PM (#22798561)
It's like we've flipped APIs on their heads - humans use tools to obtain the minimal data (just the recipe), while the bots make requests and receive the whole dump of pointless, extraneous fluff in return.
Re:How SEO Ruined the Internet by TeMPOraL on Monday April 06, 2020 @07:27PM (#22798949)
And here comes the business trick: API access is paid and restricted and requires you to enter a relationship with the data provider. Websites are purposefully made machine-unreadable, because otherwise a lot of people would use third-party scripts to avoid viewing ads and filler content.

The Internet is the exact opposite of what it was meant to be. Instead of giving efficient access to high-quality information, it gives inefficient access to watered down, spread-down, low-quality interaction. Site after site, query after query, we all continuously pay a little tax with our time.

Re:How SEO Ruined the Internet by lioeters on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @10:13AM (#22803360)
> Websites are purposefully made machine-unreadable.

This is a sad result of incentives which ruined RSS, semantic web, and the original purpose of the Internet: to effectively share and communicate information globally.

Advertising (including propaganda and surveillance) and copyright are major forces in that ruination - not to say they don't have legitimate uses and benefits, but their concentrated financial interests conquered the domain. It's a kind of colonialism of public (cyber)space and collective mind.

Tax is an apt analogy, since the power lies in the control of "media" in the most general sense, to force itself in every transaction between things and people.

I believe "dis-intermediation" will help improve the free and direct flow of information. That is, to reduce the middle layers - the gate keepers, the walled gardens, intercepts (lawful or not), filters - by re-decentralizing the net.

Re:How SEO Ruined the Internet by zozbot234 on Monday April 06, 2020 @09:20PM (#22799538)
This only really applies to the commercially-focused part of the Internet, though. Many Internet sites are still hosting academically-focused, non-commercial or broadly pro-social efforts, and those seem to be among the quickest adopters of Linked Open Data standards which are precisely meant to make content machine-readable, sometimes with standardized and freely available API-like endpoints for querying the underlying datastore.
Re:How SEO Ruined the Internet by DeathArrow on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @02:15AM (#22800763)
That is because the ad revenue model. Not many people would pay for subscription and I don't know of other working revenue models.
Re:How SEO Ruined the Internet by TeMPOraL on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @02:52AM (#22800916)
More people would be willing to pay for subscription, directly or indirectly, if ad revenue model didn't exist. Otherwise, "free with ads" outcompetes all. That's why I'm in favor of banning "free with ads" wholesale.
Re:How SEO Ruined the Internet by DeathArrow on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @04:56AM (#22801510)
I am not on a high moral ground to talk about ads.I am a web developer, yet I use ublock Origin.

Now, that I have some money, I am willing to pay for subscriptions, because that would mean high quality content, not because of ads. However, there were times in my life when I barely had what to eat and I barely afforded to pay for the Internet connection and paying subscriptions was the last things I was willing to do.

I suppose many of the 7 billion people living on Earth are poor enough to not afford paying for subscription.

Re:How SEO Ruined the Internet by rdtwo on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @10:54PM (#22809622)
A lot of the revenue models suck, if you pay they just put your name in a database sell it to everyone that offers still give you ads and make it impossible to cancel. I wanted to buy cooks illustrated for example but after reading about their business practices I chose not to.
Re:How SEO Ruined the Internet by awithrow on Monday April 06, 2020 @05:58PM (#22798306)
Many now have an anchor directly to the recipe. I try to book mark those so I don't have to read about the author pontificating on the changing of the seasons or how an ingredient in the dish reminds them of childhood for the 800th time.
Re:How SEO Ruined the Internet by bgrainger on Monday April 06, 2020 @10:19PM (#22799804)
There's a Chrome extension to fix that: https://github.com/sean-public/RecipeFilter

> This Chrome browser extension helps cut through to the chase when browsing food blogs. It is born out of my frustration in having to scroll through a prolix life story before getting to the recipe card that I really want to check out.

Re:How SEO Ruined the Internet by bgva on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @03:59PM (#22806903)
If I never have to read another article with "XYZ Is Happening. Here's What it Means" or anything to that effect as a headline, it will be too soon. SEO has created lazy writing, and as a former journalist, I hate what it's happened to my one-time profession.

I can also do without sites that think they're being quirky with their newsletter popups. "Click here to subscribe" or "I'm not interested in staying informed/saving money/being in shape". Stop. You're trying too hard.