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Re:Zoom rolled their own encryption scheme, transmit keys th... by ziyao_w on Friday April 03, 2020 @03:42PM (#22773257)
You do realize development include software engineering, right? 700 people doing programming isn't even remotely surprising.

Not to defend them against the recent security fiasco, but innuendos such as this that links "employees working in China" directly with "shady business" makes me at least uncomfortable.

Re:Zoom rolled their own encryption scheme, transmit keys th... by jtdev on Friday April 03, 2020 @06:02PM (#22774380)
For one product...? I’m sure they have a great deal of internal software and versions for numerous OS and platforms - but we’re not talking about a company with hundreds of consumer facing software products.
Re:Zoom rolled their own encryption scheme, transmit keys th... by 013a on Friday April 03, 2020 @07:53PM (#22775042)
To be more clear, I meant "it can't only be development and QA". Meaning, there has to be something else included in that number that is not traditional R&D.

Also, to be clear: the statement is meant from the perspective of, how do they have that many employees (what are they all doing); not "why" do they have that many (which, while seemingly very large, I am not in a position to judge), nor meant to be a slander against outsourcing R&D work to China (though, to be crystalline clear, I inherently trust Zoom less because of this, just like I trust companies who base or outsource R&D to Australia less because of Australia's laws on these matters).

Re:Zoom rolled their own encryption scheme, transmit keys th... by blunte on Friday April 03, 2020 @03:55PM (#22773352)
I didn't read it as suggesting it was "shady business". I read it as an insinuation that the company didn't know what it was doing from the top down, so they didn't hire smartly or manage well; they just threw numbers of people at the problem (and got predictably bad results).

With good management, a team of 50 should be able to provide what Zoom provides.

Re:Zoom rolled their own encryption scheme, transmit keys th... by ziyao_w on Friday April 03, 2020 @03:57PM (#22773372)
Yeah, moments after replying I realized there is a more charitable read :-)

Of course, with this read comes the age old question of "I can build Google/FB with 20 good men, what are they doing?"

Re:Zoom rolled their own encryption scheme, transmit keys th... by thaumasiotes on Friday April 03, 2020 @05:27PM (#22774089)
> Of course, with this read comes the age old question of "I can build Google/FB with 20 good men, what are they doing?"

Well, this would explain Google's pattern of constantly churning out new products on the theory that hey, maybe someone somewhere wants it.

If you need 20 people to run your actual operations but you've hired 20,000 people, what are the other 20,000 people supposed to do?

Re:Zoom rolled their own encryption scheme, transmit keys th... by fxtentacle on Friday April 03, 2020 @05:13PM (#22774002)
The answer might be that truly good people are not willing to work for FAANG, so they have to make do with 100 so-so instead.