“C is how the computer works” is a dangerous mindset for C programmers

Re:“C is how the computer works” is a dangerous mindset for ... by pjmlp on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @01:47PM (#22751471)

Naturally it isn't fair, but one cannot expect teams to drop velocity and diminish their productivity only on basis of adopting a new language that doesn't support existing workflows, IDE tooling and libraries.

It is like telling someone to delivering games in Unity and Unreal that they should use Amethyst instead, without understanding what it means to actually having a team working in those ecosystems.

Naturally Rust will get there, however it took C++ 30 years to be where it is today, and that is what any replacement attempt should take into consideration.

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Re:“C is how the computer works” is a dangerous mindset for ... by pdimitar on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @01:52PM (#22751553)

This is probably a much larger and not very relevant to the topic here discussion but I feel a lot of the newer breed of languages don't emphasise IDE tooling very much (not in the sense of Visual Studio / Eclipse and the like at least; VS Code gets a lot of attention though). So I fear if that's an expectation from a certain group of devs that this might already be a generational difference that's impossible to overcome.

That being said, I agree -- existing teams can't be expected to just run away to the new thing, that much is true.

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Re:“C is how the computer works” is a dangerous mindset for ... by pjmlp on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @04:22PM (#22753139)

Depends where you look, Swift, Kotlin and TypeScript live from their tooling.

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Re:“C is how the computer works” is a dangerous mindset for ... by pdimitar on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @04:29PM (#22753195)

My favourite language -- Elixir -- is the same. I also quite admire Rust's and Golang's tooling.

CLI tooling is the best it ever was in history (from where I stand at least). But IDE tooling isn't a first class citizen for many languages these days, is what I was saying.

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Re:“C is how the computer works” is a dangerous mindset for ... by pjmlp on Thursday April 02, 2020 @01:15PM (#22761238)

I beg to differ, I rather enjoy languages that pursue the dream from Xerox PARC than working like when I was in high school during the late 80's.

Just for reference, my first UNIX was Xenix.

Don't see the point why people buy expensive computers to just use them like we did at the university lab with IBM X terminals.

The main difference was that instead of Slack we had xterms dedicated to run talk sessions.

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