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Re:FCC will require phone carriers to authenticate calls by ... by reaperducer on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @05:52PM (#22743058)
Why is this problem unique to the USA?

Every time this topic comes up on HN, someone asks that same question.

Then there's a bunch of responses that are lots of suppositions.

Then several people from small European countries chime in saying they've never had a spam call.

Then a bunch of Europeans from large countries show up saying they get spam calls, too, and it's not just an American thing.

"Why is this problem unique to the USA?" is pretty much a meme at this point.

Also...

You start with "Why is this problem unique to the USA?" Then follow immediately with, "I'm not saying I never get spam calls" which means it's not unique to the USA. So your first sentence is invalid.

Re:FCC will require phone carriers to authenticate calls by ... by omginternets on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @07:31PM (#22743965)
Oh, I can actually weigh in here. In the past ten years, I've spent significant amounts of time in the US, France and the UK.

In the UK, I get the occasional spam call ("I'm calling with regards to the recent accident that wasn't your fault..."). At its peak, I got about one such call per week. It's been months since I've had a spam call.

In France, I got zero. In the 7 years I lived there, I got exactly zero.

Every time I go to the US, I get 2-5 per day ("last chance to renew the extended warranty on your car").

As is often the case, things are bigger in the US.

Re:FCC will require phone carriers to authenticate calls by ... by jakub_g on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @08:23PM (#22744342)
Living in France since 2012, I get zero French spam calls on my mobile. I'm getting some immediate-disconnect calls from Algerian numbers though (no idea what those are). I used to get silent calls on a landline though, back when I had one (even if I never gave the number to anyone). One fine day I just disconnected it as it was annoying.

I used to get occasional spam calls on my rarely-used old Polish number, but since beginning this year they somehow stopped (late effect of GDPR perhaps?)

Re:FCC will require phone carriers to authenticate calls by ... by perl4ever on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @11:16PM (#22745274)
Different people in the US have different experiences. Why is some random anecdote (assuming it's not made up) good enough to define xxx million people? I don't get 2-5 calls per day. My experience is more like what you describe with the UK. But that could be affected by my being on the do not call list on one hand, and on the other, occasionally answering a telemarketer by accident when I'm waiting for another call.
Re:FCC will require phone carriers to authenticate calls by ... by omginternets on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @06:22AM (#22747268)
>Why is some random anecdote (assuming it's not made up) good enough to define xxx million people?

It's not. Who told you it was?

Experience reports are still useful and interesting.

Re:FCC will require phone carriers to authenticate calls by ... by Legogris on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @03:16AM (#22746464)
France has actually been the worst for me spam-call-wise - used to get daily calls until recently. I think it comes down to chance (handing over your cell to the wrong hairdresser/gym/restaurant/online shop/whatever) and once you're in the wrong register, the online thing you can do is rotate numbers.
Re:FCC will require phone carriers to authenticate calls by ... by teruakohatu on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @09:47PM (#22744818)
In New Zealand many people get 1-2 per day, often using UK numbers (+44)
Re:FCC will require phone carriers to authenticate calls by ... by hadrien01 on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @06:09PM (#22743237)
I live in one of the largest countries in the EU and I receive one, maybe two, spam calls a month (and always coming from countries outside the EU). From what I understand from the never-ending list of articles about spam calls in the US, some receive tens, sometimes hundreds of spam calls every day! So yes, this problem is, from our EU perspective, unique to the USA.
Re:FCC will require phone carriers to authenticate calls by ... by lukevp on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @07:34PM (#22744000)
I get 5-10 per day in USA these days. I turned on silence unknown callers and it’s not terrible anymore but still ridiculous that it’s allowed to happen.
Re:FCC will require phone carriers to authenticate calls by ... by mumblemumble on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @06:10PM (#22743251)
I would not be surprised if turns out to be a bigger problem in the USA (and perhaps also Canada) than elsewhere simply because the USA is a bigger, easier-to-access pot of honey. It's a large area where everyone speaks the same language, lives in roughly the same regulatory and infrastructural environment, and has a lot of money to be scammed out of.

Europe is also a big pot of honey. But people speak all sorts of different languages, so you'd have to redo the scam in a bunch of different languages, which increases the effort needed to operate it.

China has way more people all speaking the same language, but relatively less wealth per person, which reduces the potential payoff. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if China has already closed off most the holes people exploit to operate these scams, because they seem less inclined than the US government to fart around about silly crap like this for literally decades on end.

Latin America has scads of people all speaking the same language, too, but they're split up among a whole bunch of different countries, which I'm guessing also makes the scam more expensive to operate at scale than it would be in the English-speaking bits of North America.

Re:FCC will require phone carriers to authenticate calls by ... by igammarays on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @06:50PM (#22743615)
I'm not sure why your comment is being downvoted. Having THE largest rich homogenous market segment in the world with a weak regulatory environment (aka a free market) is probably a huge factor in scam targeting. See also Amazon fake inventory and fake reviews, which are a much bigger problem in Amazon US than in Amazon Canada, for example.
Re:FCC will require phone carriers to authenticate calls by ... by nullc on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @05:10AM (#22746943)
To me it suggests they're resource limited rather than victim limited currently.

This means they'll exploit the most profitable targets almost exclusively. It doesn't have to be much more profitable, just the most.

If they were victim limited, they'd expand the pool of targets to include the most profitable N until they became resource limited again.

Re:FCC will require phone carriers to authenticate calls by ... by ksec on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @10:04PM (#22744900)
Um..

The problem described in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22742976

Is precisely why US get so many Spam calls, and very little in many other developed countries on earth.

And judging from that, it is also no wonder why SMS passcode hijacking is much common in US as compared to many other places.

It reality it really is an US thing, much like how rest of the world have public health care ( Good or not ), and it wasn't until ObamaCare did rest of the world realise public health services is not a standard practice in the wealthiest nation on earth.

Re:FCC will require phone carriers to authenticate calls by ... by octocop on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @06:01PM (#22743147)
Isn't FCC unique to USA? Well there you have it.
Re:FCC will require phone carriers to authenticate calls by ... by selectnull on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @06:04PM (#22743178)
Hmmm... no! I guess every country has an equivalent agency to FCC.
Re:FCC will require phone carriers to authenticate calls by ... by octocop on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @06:34AM (#22747334)
That has also passed something similar?