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Re:Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers by PragmaticPulp on Monday March 30, 2020 @12:25PM (#22729330)
> I think less than 5% of comments on open-office design, that I have ever seen, were positive.

It's basically taboo to say anything positive about open office spaces online. There are many, many legitimately terrible open office workspaces in the world. Suggesting that open offices aren't always bad feels like an attack on those who are miserable in their open office. So it's safer to just never bring it up.

In the real world, a lot of people do enjoy open office style environments. They're probably the same people who went to their University's library to study in college or joined a study group so they could sit with others who were working on the same topic. Many (not all, obvious) college students choose these open, social study environments organically during college. It's reasonable to expect that they'd carry their preferences into the working world.

I have a theory that the more someone prefers isolation and being alone, the more likely they are to participate in internet comment sections and online forums. As a result, the deeper you go into internet comment sections, the more unanimously people rail against open office floor plans.

In a perfect world, we'd have a mix of companies offering both working styles and people could choose their preferred style up front. Anecdotally, I worked for a company that advertised private offices as a perk, but nearly zero of our candidates seemed to care. People tend to choose whichever company pays the best, regardless of the working conditions. I can understand why companies choose to save money on open office floorplans.

Re:Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers by closeparen on Monday March 30, 2020 @12:47PM (#22729623)
University libraries are silent. Focus is the first-class activity; groups that want to work together must book a conference room or go to a dedicated collaboration floor. You might go with your friends for company, but you’re only going to speak on e.g. trips down from the workspace to the attached coffee shop.

A “library rules” open office would be just fine. That’s not what happens, though. The point of an open office is that everyone is talking all the time. If you don’t want to hear every conversation everyone in your company is having, it’s your own responsibility to jam those signals, or leave.

Re:Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers by downerending on Monday March 30, 2020 @02:42PM (#22730880)
Ha. University library silence seems to be in serious decline these days. Not long ago I was in one I'd describe as a cocktail party atmosphere. My theory is that universities have become more desperate to ply their students with various perks and services, they're more reluctant to crack the whip on anything that smacks of discipline.
Re:Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers by closeparen on Monday March 30, 2020 @03:10PM (#22731208)
It was the other students who would take your head off, at my school anyway. Given that there were abundant collaboration-allowed spaces, talking on a quiet floor was seen as horribly rude.
Re:Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers by notJim on Monday March 30, 2020 @12:53PM (#22729686)
> University libraries are silent.

This is not universally true. I've done a lot of working in university libraries recently, and many of them have switched to allowing collaboration in the main spaces.

> A “library rules” open office would be just fine.

This still wouldn't work for me personally. I listen to music pretty much all the time while working, and get really sick of wearing headphones all the time. The only option is a private office. (I've gotten this by becoming a remote worker.)

Re:Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers by closeparen on Monday March 30, 2020 @12:58PM (#22729738)
Well that’s horrifying. I quite liked mine. Although only one two floors were officially collaboration, there was an informal agreement that higher floors were more strictly silent. And then there were single desks scattered throughout the stacks. You had a lot of control over the noise level based on where you choose to sit. Never needed headphones there.
Re:Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers by jagger27 on Monday March 30, 2020 @01:23PM (#22730017)
This is accurate. My university has silent floors, "quiet floors" (rarely enforced), and a few well used open collaboration areas with movable furniture.
Re:Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers by notJim on Monday March 30, 2020 @12:50PM (#22729665)
This comment is spot on. The few times I brought up open offices (which I don't like) with my coworkers, most of them favored them. They liked being able to easily have a brief chat with someone, and generally having a more social feel to the office. They worried that in an environment with private offices, it would be harder to interrupt someone with a question, and that collaboration would suffer as a result. I feel like I almost never read this perspective on Hacker News, but it's very common in the real world.
Re:Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers by daveFNbuck on Monday March 30, 2020 @12:42PM (#22729556)
I actually enjoy open office plans despite not liking group work/study.

I prefer being alone. I don't really see people other than my wife outside of work. Work is my only chance to socialize, which makes an open office plan ideal for me. It's very easy to start conversations with the people near me and have them turn into fun group discussions.

Once you give up on the idea of having long unbroken periods of productivity, the open office plan can be a lot of fun.

Re:Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers by closeparen on Monday March 30, 2020 @12:49PM (#22729649)
If I gave up on those I would find another career. They are the whole point. Flow is 100% of what I like about software engineering.
Re:Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers by daveFNbuck on Monday March 30, 2020 @01:13PM (#22729912)
Flow is good, and fun conversations are good. Either way, I'm having a good day and getting paid well.
Re:Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers by the_jeremy on Monday March 30, 2020 @01:07PM (#22729845)
I like the idea of a non-judgmental, studious open space like libraries. The idea that no one cares what I work on makes it easy to take a couple quick breaks throughout the day, and those breaks help maintain focus during the other periods. I dislike the idea that someone can "catch" me on HN in an open office.
Re:Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers by djsumdog on Monday March 30, 2020 @12:39PM (#22729522)
huh, that's an interesting theory.

I like working on stuff at tech meetups. I always bring my laptop, mostly because the speakers can be boring and being in a room like that helps me focus on personal projects. I use to go to writing meetups too.

That being said, I absolutely hate open layouts. I would much rather prefer a cubical.

I'm not sure if this generalization would hold out if you surveyed people, but it might. I'd be curious.