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Re:From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages by rusk on Saturday March 28, 2020 @06:21PM (#22714754)
I don’t think English people want to do this kind of work ...
Re:From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages by tomp on Saturday March 28, 2020 @06:47PM (#22714878)
If the 80% of salary from the government came with strings attached (i.e. "basic job", not UBI "basic income"), this wouldn't be a problem (provided that either masks are provided as well, or work is organized so that social distancing is maintained).
Re:From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages by pnako on Saturday March 28, 2020 @10:46PM (#22715942)
People in Britain were eating slugs they found on the ground before Polish explorers brought fruits to the country in 1549.
Re:From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages by jsjddbbwj on Saturday March 28, 2020 @06:56PM (#22714927)
They don't want to do it because of the salary.
Re:From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages by bluGill on Saturday March 28, 2020 @08:36PM (#22715411)
I don't know about the UK, but I've talked to California farmers who (off the record) tell me they quit advertising locally for workers because at $25/hr they still couldn't get people to work (most wouldn't apply, the ones who did quit after less than a day). Immigrants (not always legal I'm sure but I know better than to ask that question) are happy with $13/hour.
Re:From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages by narrator on Sunday March 29, 2020 @12:24AM (#22716398)
People quit after a day because they are in poor shape and those jobs are really hard on the body.

I read a story a while back where this guy went to work as a bike messenger and the first couple of weeks his body hurt every day, but he eventually really got into it once his body adjusted.

Maybe you could tell the gringos that they have to ease into the work. They only get to work 1 hour their first day, then 2 hours their second day and eventually work up to 8 hours a day so they don't give up.

Re:From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages by empath75 on Saturday March 28, 2020 @08:47PM (#22715464)
So pay more than $25 an hour. There is surely a salary that people will accept to do the work.

I don’t know why everyone assumes that manual labor only deserves near poverty wages.

Re:From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages by hiram112 on Saturday March 28, 2020 @09:16PM (#22715576)
I agree - there should be no job that nobody will do, only jobs that people won't do at the price you want to pay them.

And what this really means, is that maybe certain products - like $7 bins of pecans from Walmart, or $1 heads of fresh lettuce - have been under a market that wasn't sustainable, and a lot of these food products that we take for granted should be luxury items again.

Re:From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages by infinite8s on Saturday March 28, 2020 @09:10PM (#22715552)
No one will pay $5 for an avocado.
Re:From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages by mikekchar on Saturday March 28, 2020 @09:46PM (#22715698)
Clearly, you've never been to Japan ;-) We've got $50 grapes! And that's for one grape... not a bunch... But I think you are correct that most North Americans especially are geared toward buying the cheapest produce available, often regardless of quality or production methods. I think it's slowly been changing over the years, but people still baulk at paying prices that would sustain small family farms without imported cheap labour. However, every time this kind of discussions come up, I feel it necessary to point out that vast majority of cost in food production is distribution, not production. This is due to the practical monopoly on food distribution that some companies have. You could actually raise the production price a pretty hefty amount without affecting the final price terribly if you regulated the distribution. Of course, what would the poor Cargill's do? They wouldn't be able to have swimming pools full of money. That won't do...
Re:From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages by empath75 on Saturday March 28, 2020 @10:11PM (#22715813)
People said similar things about cotton before slavery was abolished. The world managed to survive.
Re:From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages by grumple on Saturday March 28, 2020 @10:42PM (#22715933)
People will absolutely pay $5 for avocados if that's what the price goes to. Avocados are among the easier things to pick though, so this doesn't really apply to them.

Tomatoes seem to cost about $3 at my local grocery store and are not nearly as good as avocados.

Re:From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages by richk449 on Saturday March 28, 2020 @11:27PM (#22716122)
Have you ever been to brunch in San Francisco?
Re:From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages by nine_k on Saturday March 28, 2020 @11:33PM (#22716149)
The cost of the raw food is 10-15% of the price of a meal. (Source: my wife ran a popular restaurant for 4 years.)
Re:From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages by cortesoft on Saturday March 28, 2020 @10:38PM (#22715912)
Then grow less labor intensive things.
Re:From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages by vkou on Saturday March 28, 2020 @08:04PM (#22715263)
And this is where we discover that the most important jobs that keep society running pay the least.
Re:From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages by ekianjo on Saturday March 28, 2020 @09:42PM (#22715683)
They pay the least because you don't need qualifications to do them, and supply of non-qualified people >>> demand. Simple economics.
Re:From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages by cco on Saturday March 28, 2020 @10:33PM (#22715895)
The article here, and the discussion above, is a situation where clearly the demand is high but the supply is low.
Re:From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages by pnako on Saturday March 28, 2020 @10:49PM (#22715954)
Then pay more. As a white collar worker I'm not offended that some blue collar workers make more than me. And if I have to pay more for food so we actually have a country, with people who care for each other, and not just a giant economic zone with the disappointing selfish behavior we've observed in this crisis, that's fine with me too.
Re:From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages by H8crilA on Saturday March 28, 2020 @07:52PM (#22715219)
Give the recession some time to work its magic.
Re:From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages by IshKebab on Saturday March 28, 2020 @07:16PM (#22715035)
Yeah because it is badly paid and physically demanding.