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Re:From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages by Spooky23 on Saturday March 28, 2020 @06:13PM (#22714717)
I have friends who are locomotive engineers, none of them have been called out for 3 weeks. Everything is stopping.

I think the US is going to learn why it’s dangerous to centralize food supply. Most of the local farmers in my region (upstate ny) are bankrupt, and much of our production or processing of food is from far away. The half and half from my grocer is processed in Virginia.

Re:From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages by beerandt on Saturday March 28, 2020 @09:38PM (#22715669)
A bit off topic, but regarding the railroads:

A big chunk of US rail traffic demand over the last decade has been oil, which was already dropping as pipeline construction caught up with demand under the new administration's pipeline policies.

(Tangent: For those not familiar, check out Buffet's meeting/deal with Obama admin re: pipeline policy after Berkshire picked up UP stock for cheap.)

The railroads enjoyed a virtual monopoly on additional oil transport capacity for years, but I suspect the latest drop in oil demand might signal the last element needed to completely end that era.

If true, then they might see a slight/temp bump in rail demand in a few months as petroleum storage fills up, when tanker cars are repositioned as a last resort storage option for over-supply.

Point being, the abrupt drop in rail traffic likely has more to do with the drop in oil demand than grain or any other rail transported product.

Which you could still ultimately blame on covid, but it's not necessarily representative of a collapse in multiple markets. Just oil trimming the excess.

Re:From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages by Spooky23 on Saturday March 28, 2020 @11:17PM (#22716065)
These guys aren’t doing oil runs. In this area, the rail traffic for oil pretty much died last year.
Re:From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages by ricardobeat on Saturday March 28, 2020 @07:01PM (#22714959)
The crisis started not even a month ago. What kind of business are people running that go bankrupt in a couple weeks?

At least where I come from, most local farmers can't "go bankrupt" as they are family businesses and have very low operating costs - worst case is sitting idle at home.

Re:From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages by ObsoleteNerd on Saturday March 28, 2020 @07:15PM (#22715030)
There's "family farming" where you have a plot of land handed down to you and you tend to it yourself. A few tractors with PTO extensions, and handled by your family and maybe a few local workers. You'd sell to local grocery chains and markets.

Then there's "family farming", where you have a fleet of GPS-and-climate-control-equipped John Deere's on finance and invest heavily in automated irrigation and sell to wholesalers who provide to national chains.

The former are probably fine. The latter, who provide food for the country, are generally running on huge credit lines with payments to meet and in uncertain times like this can (and regularly do) very quickly go bankrupt.

Re:From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages by hilbertseries on Saturday March 28, 2020 @08:18PM (#22715324)
A bill to bailout farmers will pass the house and senate with broad bipartisan support.
Re:From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages by bluGill on Saturday March 28, 2020 @08:29PM (#22715377)
The later in best off. They are businessmen who know their numbers. Their biggest problem now is low crop prices, a situation that goes back to 2015. An increase in demand is the best things for them.

Agriculture is considered essential infrastructure in the US and not stopped. Except they can't get immigrant labor but that is a problem for the small vegetable farmers who don't need or buy the expensive equipment anyway.

Re:From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages by Spooky23 on Saturday March 28, 2020 @07:23PM (#22715082)
Farmers have taken the current administration very hard, and the previous administration wasn’t a bright light either, especially if you’re not a Midwest grain farmer.

Between trade policies (Canadian onion farmers, for example, are importing subsidized onions for 25% of the production cost) and the federal government no longer enforcing anti-trust law (groups of grocery wholesalers are now colluding to set prices via reverse auctions) this is one of the most bleak periods for farmers in the last century.

Other operations are like tenant farmers. Chicken producers are a great example of that. They basically own risk.

Many businesses operate on the edge or need lines of credit that may or may not continue to exist.

Re:From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages by s1artibartfast on Sunday March 29, 2020 @09:43AM (#22718940)
Im not sure where you are from, but in general, farming is a cutthroat business with small margins in the US

The exception is rich hobby farmers who have no need to make a profit and some specialty crops.

Re:From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages by Reelin on Saturday March 28, 2020 @07:01PM (#22714963)
> ... none of them have been called out for 3 weeks. Everything is stopping.

I had naively assumed (in the US) that agriculture and rail would be considered essential industries and continue as usual? Is this all due to migrant labor issues?

Re:From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages by vkou on Saturday March 28, 2020 @08:03PM (#22715255)
They are, and they do. What you're seeing in Europe and the US is purely a migrant labour shortage.