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Re:America's bailed-out airlines are not 'playing fair' with... by the8472 on Saturday March 28, 2020 @02:19PM (#22713092)
Cheap air travel facilitated the global spread of the virus, they're not exactly innocent bystanders.
Re:America's bailed-out airlines are not 'playing fair' with... by bilbo0s on Saturday March 28, 2020 @02:27PM (#22713175)
This is the point everyone is missing. These guys literally make their money facilitating the global spread of the virus. They want to externalize all of the negative impacts of their business model.

OK. Fine.

But now we get a cut. You don't just externalize all the costs for dealing with the virus off onto us and then also have us pay to ensure your profits don't take a dip to boot. That would be the most insane deal American taxpayers could ever make.

Of course we should get a fair cut of the airlines dependent on the size and structure of the bailout. Anyone saying otherwise has just not thought the whole thing through.

Re:America's bailed-out airlines are not 'playing fair' with... by thewebcount on Saturday March 28, 2020 @02:24PM (#22713147)
Small, dense living quarters facilitated it too!
Re:America's bailed-out airlines are not 'playing fair' with... by bilbo0s on Saturday March 28, 2020 @02:35PM (#22713247)
Living quarters facilitate local spread.

Trains and cars facilitate national spread.

Planes and ships facilitate global spread.

Each of these has adjutant consequences of increasing severity. With planes and ships imparting the most severe consequences. Difference between planes and ships being that ships have medical staff, and you can quarantine them in port if necessary. Which we did mostly. (Of course, we probably should have done the same with airliners but hindsight is always 20/20).

Re:America's bailed-out airlines are not 'playing fair' with... by oh_sigh on Saturday March 28, 2020 @02:22PM (#22713125)
Cheap car travel facilitated the global spread of the virus. They're not exactly innocent bystanders.

Globalization facilitated the global spread of the virus, anyone with an international supply chain is not exactly innocent bystanders.

Social activity facilitated the global spread of the virus. Meetup.com is not exactly an innocent bystander.

etc...

Re:America's bailed-out airlines are not 'playing fair' with... by the8472 on Saturday March 28, 2020 @02:30PM (#22713199)
Not sure what you're trying to say here. The point is that airlines were directly profiting by staying operational while the virus was already spreading. Had they been more proactive in curbing international travel then they would also have been able to resume business sooner.

Cars are not commercial entities that profit from spreading the virus. Rideshare and taxi services would be a different story, but even then they do so in a much more localized manner. Similarly if meetup didn't shut down its services soon enough the yes it did facilitate the spread for profit.

Economic globalization (movement of goods) on the other hand can work without moving people around as much.

Re:America's bailed-out airlines are not 'playing fair' with... by Klinky on Saturday March 28, 2020 @02:35PM (#22713250)
All true statements.

The same criticisms can be applied to any businesses within these industries initially looking to be given billions in monetary grants without equity in return.