The iOS and Mac markets are almost the same size?

Re:The iOS and Mac markets are almost the same size? by Wowfunhappy on Friday March 27, 2020 @05:45PM (#22707194)

I feel like being on Hacker News sometimes warps the context of a personal blog post.

If I put out a tweet that said "Huh, my app got about the same number of downloads on iOS and Mac, I think the market's about the same for certain types of apps" would you say my tweet is full of vagaries and incorrect assumptions?

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Re:The iOS and Mac markets are almost the same size? by pvg on Friday March 27, 2020 @06:32PM (#22707515)

sometimes warps the context of a personal blog post

That's true but those blog posts end up making poor HN posts. This one is very short, contains a little bit of data and would not have been hn-noticed other than for the deliberately provocative title which then becomes the central topic of the HN discussion. People familiar with the author/blog don't have any trouble recognizing their chain is being playfully tugged; on HN it's just a bombastic one-liner sitting on the front page, demanding rebuttal.

A lot of tweets that are perfectly fine tweets make bad HN posts for similar reasons.

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Re:The iOS and Mac markets are almost the same size? by freehunter on Friday March 27, 2020 @07:38PM (#22707883)

I’ve had my personal blog be linked on HN without my knowledge and the comments damn near made me stop writing altogether. Everyone assumed I wrote the post for them to read it, when in reality I just wrote it for myself and someone else submitted it.

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Re:The iOS and Mac markets are almost the same size? by throwqwerty on Friday March 27, 2020 @05:53PM (#22707247)

the difference between your hypothetical tweet and this article is that humble qualifier "I think".

what I've seen hn (and startup culture in general) distort is people's confidence in their own opinions. this is probably because it is repeated ad nauseum that you cannot start a successful startup without being an iconoclastic innovator.

what isn't repeated ad nauseum is that you should save that kind of arrogance for your vc pitch rather than take it on as a mantle.

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Re:The iOS and Mac markets are almost the same size? by addicted44 on Friday March 27, 2020 @10:21PM (#22708656)

One of the first things I learnt in English 101 is that "I think" is redundant.

Your writing something automatically implies that it's what you think.

Unless you explicitly say something is a "fact" or quote a 3rd party.

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Re:The iOS and Mac markets are almost the same size? by eindiran on Friday March 27, 2020 @11:02PM (#22708843)

Linguists call "I think" when used this way a "stance marker"[0]. It's definitely not redundant: it reveals pragmatic information[1] about the context you're speaking in, namely by tempering your stance and revealing your level of confidence in the statement you're making.

See this for example: https://www.tandfonline.com/eprint/SC59wwEkK64tvQsDb9hC/full

[0] Here, "stance" means: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stance_(linguistics)

[1] For more info, see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pragmatics

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Re:The iOS and Mac markets are almost the same size? by frosted-flakes on Friday March 27, 2020 @10:49PM (#22708777)

"I think" is not always redundant. It serves the same purpose as "in my opinion" or "I'm pretty sure", which is to temper the confidence of the statement or indicate an unverified intuition.

Example:

"Hey, where's the emergency toilet paper supply?" "I think it's in the cupboard under the stairs."

I think (but am not sure!) that this use of "I think" is intuitively obvious to most native English speakers, especially when paired with voice tone.

Obviously, if you're sure that a statement is true, then adding "I think" only weakens your point. Unskilled writers might not know to avoid it in (say) an essay, which may be why you heard that advice in school.

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Re:The iOS and Mac markets are almost the same size? by chirau on Friday March 27, 2020 @11:50PM (#22709072)

Then let's hope you did not end at 101

Q: What's the best phone out there buddy?

A1: The iPhone Super Max

A2: I think it is Samsung S20, but there are several options out there

A3: I think it is the iPhone Super Max, though i agree, there are plenty of competing options around.

"I think" is very important in establishing/shaping context and clarifying the source of the opinion you are referring to.

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Re:The iOS and Mac markets are almost the same size? by kranner on Friday March 27, 2020 @10:42PM (#22708748)

It is not always redundant. It can be used to politely signal that you may be wrong about something you are asserting, even when you are sure about it and everyone knows you are sure. This is especially helpful when you have visible authority over the other parties in the discussion.

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Re:The iOS and Mac markets are almost the same size? by runawaybottle on Saturday March 28, 2020 @01:37AM (#22709465)

I was taught this too, but it was more of a guideline for students who got away with writing basically substandard essays in high school. It was like having to teach Javascript the Good Parts to kids that just started every sentence in a paragraph with ‘I think that ...’.

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Re:The iOS and Mac markets are almost the same size? by throwqwerty on Friday March 27, 2020 @10:59PM (#22708826)

i meant exactly what i said: it's a humble qualifier . "I think" functions as an admission of fallibility. it transforms a certain claim into a proposition subject to change. its purpose is rhetorical rather than formal.

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Re:The iOS and Mac markets are almost the same size? by chipotle_coyote on Saturday March 28, 2020 @02:51AM (#22709674)

Quoting the linked article: "I've thought for a long time that, for some types of apps, a Mac app would do as well as an iOS app." Isn't it pretty clear that when he's asserting that the relative downloads of NetNewsWire for iOS vs. macOS "confirms" that thought, he's (a) describing that as his thought, rather than trumpeting it as an immutable fact, and (b) both admitting that this is just one piece of data ("admittedly just one app") and confining even his hypothesis to "some types of apps"?

tl;dr: I get what you're saying, but I think you're giving too ungenerous a reading in this specific case.

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