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Re:Ask HN: Is HN a ‘healthy online community’? I’m doing a c... by paulmd on Friday March 27, 2020 @04:20PM (#22706459)
Title whining, while not the worst way that manifests, is kind of emblematic of the problem. Nothing I love more than loading up a comment thread and seeing... the only replies are 5 people whining about the title.

The moderators here humor and even encourage it, despite it nominally being a rule not to editorialize titles they'll humor the people and edit it up 2 or 3 times.

It's the shallowest of content that contributes nothing to the larger discussion. I'm not sure if it's a weird way to farm karma or if people just tend to be a little bit on the spectrum, but some people just can't resist arguing about it.

Re:Ask HN: Is HN a ‘healthy online community’? I’m doing a c... by dang on Friday March 27, 2020 @04:34PM (#22706596)
> The moderators here humor and even encourage it

Heavens no. We react the way we do to minimize off-topic title complaints. Otherwise they take over and make things even worse.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

Re:Ask HN: Is HN a ‘healthy online community’? I’m doing a c... by OJFord on Friday March 27, 2020 @05:24PM (#22707041)
> The moderators here humor and even encourage it, despite it nominally being a rule not to editorialize titles they'll humor the people and edit it up 2 or 3 times.

For what it's worth, a few times recently (as well as on other occasions) I've submitted a title as-is very reluctantly, and knowing it will certainly be changed if the submission gets any traction.

I think the one that got the most traction was 'The NHS is looking for up to 250k volunteers' [0], original title:

> ‘Your NHS Needs You’ – NHS call for volunteer army

Of course that was going to get changed, and I mostly support that change, with only slight hesitation since the aspect I found most interesting (and provoked me to submit it) was the language; the article went on to talk about 'rallying the troops'.

My point is, yes it's in the guidelines not to editorialise titles, but it also says not to include numbers like '{6 }things you never knew about X' or superfluous adjectives like 'Show HN: {My amazing }whitespace to rust transpiler'.

It also qualifies not editorialising with 'unless misleading or linkbait', which I suppose I could arguably have used as a reason to change [0], and perhaps that's the basis on which they're all edited.

I and probably others generally submit the original thinking if it's popular as-is then there may be some discussion and collective (or moderated) decision on the title; who am I the submitter to make that call.

[0] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22677209

Re:Ask HN: Is HN a ‘healthy online community’? I’m doing a c... by dang on Saturday March 28, 2020 @04:20PM (#22714031)
Yes, the site guidelines call for changing a title when it's misleading or baity. That one was baity, so it's fine to change it. If you do, it's best to use language from elsewhere in the article, if possible. Usually there's something suitable in a subtitle, or the doc title, or the url, or a representative phrase from the text.

Both sides of that rule are important: when to not change the title and when to do so.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Ask HN: Is HN a ‘healthy online community’? I’m doing a c... by toyg on Friday March 27, 2020 @05:01PM (#22706852)
> while not the worst way that manifests

I find the worst type post is "the website is broken / that css could use some work / when I see this site on Chrobar XX Turbo the scrollbar disappears".

Re:Ask HN: Is HN a ‘healthy online community’? I’m doing a c... by nitrogen on Friday March 27, 2020 @08:22PM (#22708105)
Those posts can be useful for site owners, but there's no reason they should be at the top of HN's comments