Re:Was corporate profit growth a bubble inflated by "financi...
by ksdale on Friday March 27, 2020 @02:48PM
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Heavy CAPEX doesn't require no profits, but it can easily result in that.
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Re:Was corporate profit growth a bubble inflated by "financi...
by H8crilA on Friday March 27, 2020 @02:59PM
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If, over the long term, CAPEX spendings do not produce profits, it means that the purchased assets did not produce enough payoff to compensate for their depreciation charges. You could argue with the accounting depreciation rules (i.e. how much needs to be written off per year, i.e. you think the asset is longer lived than the accounting rules say), but the general idea stands - it is a sign of bad capital allocation.
Re:Was corporate profit growth a bubble inflated by "financi...
by ksdale on Friday March 27, 2020 @05:07PM
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If the profits from the CAPEX just get plowed into more CAPEX, though, you could end up looking like you don't have profits for decades, and it isn't necessarily a problem as long as you're growing.
Edit: What I'm saying is that profit is a lagging indicator of CAPEX, and your lack of profit now could be the result of bad CAPEX 5 years ago, or good CAPEX 5 years ago, plus aggressive new CAPEX now.
Re:Was corporate profit growth a bubble inflated by "financi...
by H8crilA on Saturday March 28, 2020 @06:52AM
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I think you don't know what "profits" are, i.e. don't know accounting.
CAPEX is written down via depreciation charges over many years. I.e. if you buy something for $1M, and it has an accounting life of 10 years, you book $100k losses per year.
What you're thinking about is called "cash flow", not "profits".
Re:Was corporate profit growth a bubble inflated by "financi...
by ksdale on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @12:59PM
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Is this not basically what Amazon did? Massive capital expenditures with cascading depreciation that wiped out profits while increasing cash flow until they got to a certain size and decreased CAPEX and recognized profits?
Re:Was corporate profit growth a bubble inflated by "financi...
by otoburb on Friday March 27, 2020 @03:04PM
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>>If, over the long term, CAPEX spendings do not produce profits, it means that the purchased assets did not produce enough payoff to compensate for their depreciation charges.
Even if CAPEX generates profits, if the returns were lower than your capital cost then company would have been better off not investing and returning that instead to shareholders.
Re:Was corporate profit growth a bubble inflated by "financi...
by H8crilA on Friday March 27, 2020 @03:15PM
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Yes, that's the 101 of being a capital allocator, like a CEO or a CFO. Only invest into anything if the returns exceed your cost of capital.
Presentation on this very topic: https://youtu.be/c20_S-QgvsA?t=730