Re:Corporate Socialism: The Government Is Bailing Out Invest...
by s1artibartfast on Thursday March 26, 2020 @12:23AM
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One solution I find interesting is that the government exchange equity for the bailout and hand it over to the American workers.
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Re:Corporate Socialism: The Government Is Bailing Out Invest...
by Build3Wai on Thursday March 26, 2020 @06:24AM
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Yes. It seems that innovating accounting technology to be able to diffuse ownership more flexibly across networks can be productive.
Re:Corporate Socialism: The Government Is Bailing Out Invest...
by extralego on Thursday March 26, 2020 @01:22AM
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There is a article about that here:
https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/2020/03/23/how-to-think...
Re:Corporate Socialism: The Government Is Bailing Out Invest...
by MaximumYComb on Thursday March 26, 2020 @01:57AM
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They could hold onto the equity themselves, which is giving it to all Americans.
Re:Corporate Socialism: The Government Is Bailing Out Invest...
by s1artibartfast on Thursday March 26, 2020 @10:51AM
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I disagree. It would be much worse from the perspective of allowing workers ownership of the means of production. When the government owns something, the people do not
Re:Corporate Socialism: The Government Is Bailing Out Invest...
by unlinked_dll on Thursday March 26, 2020 @10:32AM
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My family and friends who lost their jobs or got furloughed can't pay their rent with equity.
Re:Corporate Socialism: The Government Is Bailing Out Invest...
by s1artibartfast on Thursday March 26, 2020 @10:48AM
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When I suggested equity for bailout, I mean the the government would provide cash. Instead of it just being a handout to businesses , they would receive equity in exchange
Re:Corporate Socialism: The Government Is Bailing Out Invest...
by unlinked_dll on Thursday March 26, 2020 @11:14AM
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Is anyone talking about bailouts without equity? I thought that was implied, since it's how they handled the automaker bailout 12 years ago.
But regardless I don't see the efficacy of bailouts for most companies. Besides a few critical businesses like the airlines and Boeing, the money would do very little to help the workers who have been laid off or furloughed. The government needs to pick up that tab directly, or else the cash isn't going to be used for it.
Re:Corporate Socialism: The Government Is Bailing Out Invest...
by s1artibartfast on Thursday March 26, 2020 @03:19PM
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My understanding is that they are talking about "free" bailouts without equity. This article [1] suggests this is the case for the airlines, which would receive a "grant", and small businesses, which would receiving tax credits. It is unclear to me if this is just a mischaracterization by the MSM.
I expect that workers will see very little of the 2 trillion dollar bill. $1000 for an estimated 30 million workers (~10X current numbers) would be about 1.5% of the bailout. 3 months of unemployment for the same would be about 10% of the total.
[1] https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/25/coronavirus-stimulus-bill-up...
Re:Corporate Socialism: The Government Is Bailing Out Invest...
by unlinked_dll on Thursday March 26, 2020 @08:08PM
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The checks are going to a more like 120 million households (ballpark, haven't checked the BLS), and your unemployment ballpark is 10 million shy of the estimates.