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Re:Don’t bail out the cruise industry by pmiller2 on Tuesday March 24, 2020 @07:30AM (#22673952)
Just to quantify your first sentence, one single cruise ship emits the same amount of pollution as 1 million cars [0]. And, one cruise line emits more pollution every year than ALL the cars in Europe [1]. They should not just be allowed to go bust; they should be forced out of business.

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[0]: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-wednesday...

[1]: https://www.transportenvironment.org/press/luxury-cruise-gia...

Re:Don’t bail out the cruise industry by willis936 on Tuesday March 24, 2020 @07:47AM (#22674031)
This is often quoted and misleading. It doesn’t emit a million times more pollution than a car across the board, it emits a million times more sulphur oxide than a car.

Now sulphur oxide is nasty stuff, and regulated out of vehicle emissions for good reason. Fuel conditioning and catalytic convertors take care of this. But those things add cost, and why would a cruise ship company do it if they are not compelled legally and their customers don’t mind?

I don’t feel bad for giving my friends who go on cruises a hard time over this. Most will say they simply do not care about the environment. They are not immediately threatening their own immediate habitat. These are the people who go on cruises. The fact that the cruise industry exists is a sad mark on humanity.

https://www.abctourism.org/cruise-ship-pollution

Re:Don’t bail out the cruise industry by pmiller2 on Tuesday March 24, 2020 @08:07AM (#22674161)
Not only sulphur oxides, particulates as well (see my first quoted link). Particulate matter from combustion is extremely nasty. These floating petri dishes choke everything in their path.

> But those things add cost, and why would a cruise ship company do it if they are not compelled legally and their customers don’t mind?

Because their owners give a shit about the world they're leaving to their children?

Oh, well, I suppose they don't, then, do they?

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Re:Don’t bail out the cruise industry by pmiller2 on Tuesday March 24, 2020 @08:24AM (#22674260)
> ...legally beholden to maximize profits.

This is a myth. The business judgement rule gives corporate directors extremely wide latitude on how they run their business.

Point taken regarding "pollution," though. I will note that all the links quoted in this thread clearly state SOx or particulates, not specifically "pollution," so that misstatement falls on me in this case.

With respect to CO2, they are still pretty bad; one voyage is roughly equivalent to transporting the same number of passengers on a flight from Tokyo to London [0].

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[0]: https://www.tourismdashboard.org/explore-the-data/cruise-shi...