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Re:Why is Japan still a coronavirus outlier? by boomboomsubban on Saturday March 21, 2020 @10:23PM (#22652166)
>If they weren’t effective at reducing infection healthcare workers wouldn’t wear them

Yes, they would. The healthcare worker may already be sick, and are regularly closely interacting with people that have compromised immune systems. An illness that wouldn't slow down a nurse may kill a patient.

Re:Why is Japan still a coronavirus outlier? by barry-cotter on Saturday March 21, 2020 @10:50PM (#22652292)
If we agree that masks slow the spread of disease from and to wearers then we are in clear disagreement with the Surgeon General. Masks work and the general populace should be encouraged to wear makeshift masks until such time as there are enough surgical masks for everybody or the crisis is over.
Re:Why is Japan still a coronavirus outlier? by boomboomsubban on Saturday March 21, 2020 @11:20PM (#22652435)
We don't agree. Masks would only help in the event that someone coughed/sneezed directly on your face but missed the eyes. Even then, removing the mask and washing your face without contamination would be difficult.

Makeshift masks don't necessarily even help in that situation, become a liability when contaminated, and putting it on then removing it causes additional risk.

Re:Why is Japan still a coronavirus outlier? by tagrun on Sunday March 22, 2020 @12:20AM (#22652700)
This is why that someone also needs to wear a mask.

Don't worry, people aren't morons and have been using masks in Japan and other countries for decades just fine.

Yes, masks can hold contaminated droplets --that's their purpose. When people don't use masks on the other hand, those droplets that would have remained on the mask now end up everywhere else, and now you have a far more spread vectors with basically everything being potentially contaminated.

Using a mask ensures that a lesser percentage of your contaminated droplets end up in other places.

Re:Why is Japan still a coronavirus outlier? by boomboomsubban on Sunday March 22, 2020 @01:07AM (#22652876)
If you are sick, masks are great. Even homemade ones. This is about healthy people wearing masks.
Re:Why is Japan still a coronavirus outlier? by tagrun on Sunday March 22, 2020 @01:37AM (#22652995)
> If you are sick, masks are great. Even homemade ones. This is about healthy people wearing masks.

First, masks work better when both sides use them. In Japan, healthy people wear masks as well during flu seasons because it makes it offers better protection than wearing nothing.

Second, in the specific context of COVID-19, how do you know they're healthy? That's the key, because asymptomatic cases are estimated to be the main driver of this pandemic by far. And it's only worsened by the fact that only few tests are available.

Re:Why is Japan still a coronavirus outlier? by lmz on Saturday March 21, 2020 @10:39PM (#22652240)
Have you read this article? https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/opinion/coronavirus-face-...

> Third, of course masks work — maybe not perfectly and not all to the same degree, but they provide some protection. Their use has always been advised as part of the standard response to being around infected people, especially for people who may be vulnerable.

Re:Why is Japan still a coronavirus outlier? by boomboomsubban on Saturday March 21, 2020 @11:28PM (#22652467)
That quote does not fully describe what is advised, but wearing one when you are knowingly interacting with an infected person is different than general use.
Re:Why is Japan still a coronavirus outlier? by objektif on Saturday March 21, 2020 @10:38PM (#22652235)
Are you saying masks dont help in preventing ingestion of airborne viruses? That sounds like horse shit. Yes you can still get sick by touching contaminated surfaces and then touching your face...
Re:Why is Japan still a coronavirus outlier? by boomboomsubban on Saturday March 21, 2020 @11:43PM (#22652550)
Anytime a mask would prevent you from ingesting an airborne viruses, it becomes a contaminated surface.
Re:Why is Japan still a coronavirus outlier? by objektif on Sunday March 22, 2020 @12:10AM (#22652654)
So as your clothes and skin except that when you are wearing a mask you dont get sick.
Re:Why is Japan still a coronavirus outlier? by boomboomsubban on Sunday March 22, 2020 @01:16AM (#22652909)
Removing a contaminated mask involves both touching a contaminated surface and touching your face, which you say can still get you sick.