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Re:How much do rockets pollute? by willis936 on Saturday March 21, 2020 @05:27AM (#22645468)
Electrolysis does not produce pollution. If you are suggesting a mechanism by which it does, I would love to hear it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysis_of_water

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_splitting

Re:How much do rockets pollute? by mac01021 on Saturday March 21, 2020 @05:32AM (#22645482)
The power generation mechanism you use to get the electric current for electrolysis may or may not be clean.
Re:How much do rockets pollute? by willis936 on Saturday March 21, 2020 @05:41AM (#22645510)
That’s entirely the point of hydrogen fuel. The process of producing or using hydrogen does not pollute. You have decoupled pollution from energy storage.

Hydrocarbons pollute by their very nature. In order to have a carbon neutral hydrocarbon cycle you need an impractical number of CO2 capture facilities.

Re:How much do rockets pollute? by TeMPOraL on Saturday March 21, 2020 @06:23AM (#22645630)
And to add to your comment, spelling it out in case it isn't obvious: you can also decouple pollution from energy production using photovoltaics, wind or hydro - and suddenly most of your power chain is clean (what remains dirty is manufacturing the power generator and power storage).
Re:How much do rockets pollute? by TheSpiceIsLife on Saturday March 21, 2020 @09:14PM (#22651771)
> The process of producing or using hydrogen does not pollute.

There’s no way this can be correct.

You can’t use hydrogen to produce the electricity used in hydrogen electrolysis, because that’s not permitted in this universe.[1]

Therefore the electricity has to come from some other source, which all generate life-cycle carbon emissions.[2]

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life-cycle_greenhouse-gas_emis...

Re:How much do rockets pollute? by mac01021 on Sunday March 22, 2020 @02:42PM (#22657411)
In theory you could produce the H2 off planet.

Also, that tidal power looks pretty good...

Re:How much do rockets pollute? by ecoled_ame on Saturday March 21, 2020 @02:45PM (#22648831)
the electricity has to be generated somewhere. coal plants - pollution. hydropower plants - pollution. you might say hydropower plants don’t produce pollution, but it takes a lot of energy to build them and they pollute the environment with their mere existence, no more pristine nature.
Re:How much do rockets pollute? by willis936 on Saturday March 21, 2020 @04:02PM (#22649525)
You’re explaining how electrical power generation can cause pollution, not water electrolysis (what is being discussed).
Re:How much do rockets pollute? by ecoled_ame on Saturday March 21, 2020 @09:00PM (#22651701)
yes indeed i am, because they are related. electrolysis utilizes electricity. hence the prefix electro-.

your point highlights my initial point about hydrogen fuel - ie we must look all the way up the chain and account for all polluting steps, instead of simply focusing on a single aspect.

Re:How much do rockets pollute? by TheSpiceIsLife on Saturday March 21, 2020 @09:06PM (#22651729)
This is absolutely correct.

Here’s the Wikipedia entry on the subject: life-cycle greenhouse gas emissions - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life-cycle_greenhouse-gas_emis...