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Re:MIT to no longer consider SAT subject tests in admissions... by barry-cotter on Friday March 20, 2020 @07:47PM (#22642923)
Good test takers are people who have learned things and know them well enough to pass a test on it. There are many kinds of test. The SAT is the kind designed by psychometricians, experts with Ph.D.s building on millions of man hours of research to make tests that are both valid and reliable, that predict success in college and are as close to ungameable as possible.

MIT could drop the real SAT tomorrow and still fill its freshman class with valedictorians who captained their high school sports team and have ten AP 5s. Schools with fewer applicants have the SAT.

Re:MIT to no longer consider SAT subject tests in admissions... by frequentnapper on Friday March 20, 2020 @07:57PM (#22642987)
>Good test takers are people who have learned things and know them well enough to pass a test on it.

Tell that to the massive test prep industry. Many many years ago I took a trial SAT and scored around 1000. Then I took a Kaplan SAT prep course, and lo and behold after learning all the tricks scored a 1300 on a test SAT. Back then the test prep course cost > $1000. I had a car in high school, so I could drive to the test prep school in the evenings.

Seems to me that people who prep for the tests (not necessarily learned things through high school) and are willing to spend time and money have a great margin of benefit.

It's the same thing for tech interview prep industry. The ones who prep well for the interview, do well in the interview.

Re:MIT to no longer consider SAT subject tests in admissions... by saagarjha on Friday March 20, 2020 @09:03PM (#22643341)
> The SAT is the kind designed by psychometricians, experts with Ph.D.s building on millions of man hours of research to make tests that are both valid and reliable, that predict success in college and are as close to ungameable as possible.

This is what the CollegeBoard wants you think. You don’t have to be all that great to realize that the people writing the test are hardly better than you are at both the subject and writing test, and in many case significantly worse.

Re:MIT to no longer consider SAT subject tests in admissions... by barry-cotter on Friday March 20, 2020 @09:50PM (#22643557)
They’re hiring two Ph.D. holding psychometricians right now. https://careers.collegeboard.org/search-jobs?title=Psychomet...

In many cases, not, in many case.

Re:MIT to no longer consider SAT subject tests in admissions... by wolco on Friday March 20, 2020 @11:55PM (#22644284)
Assistant? Associate?

The titles don't give too much confidence.

Re:MIT to no longer consider SAT subject tests in admissions... by barry-cotter on Saturday March 21, 2020 @03:33AM (#22645183)
These are positions for which a Ph.D. is an absolute requirement. Compare Assistant or Associate Professor.

> About you

> Education/Experience:

> Doctorate in psychometrics, educational research, educational measurement or a related field is required. New PhD level applicants will be considered, as will applicants with additional experience. A minimum of 3 years relevant experience is required for the Associate level.