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Re:The 2020 MacBook Air by cpach on Friday March 20, 2020 @03:22PM (#22640691)
The rest of the industry…? At work we have lots of Lenovo and HP laptops and those keyboards are, IMO, clearly inferior to my MBA 2012.
Re:The 2020 MacBook Air by mx24 on Friday March 20, 2020 @03:26PM (#22640730)
ThinkPads are well known for having great keyboards. Apple’s do not compare.
Re:The 2020 MacBook Air by pfranz on Friday March 20, 2020 @10:58PM (#22643952)
I think it's fair to compare. Excluding Apple's recent scissor switch keyboard, they've both been reliable and serviceable. They've both had a following over many years. Aesthetically, I've preferred Apple's keyboards and I'm sure many people feel conversely.
Re:The 2020 MacBook Air by JohnTHaller on Friday March 20, 2020 @03:25PM (#22640719)
You may not like the feel, but the keys don't stop working like the 2015-2019 MacBooks.
Re:The 2020 MacBook Air by abrowne on Friday March 20, 2020 @03:38PM (#22640853)
Pedantic: the bad ("butterfly") keyboards started with the 2016 models: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201300#:~:text=2016
Re:The 2020 MacBook Air by dsrw on Friday March 20, 2020 @04:07PM (#22641131)
That link only refers to the MacBook Pro. The 2015 MacBook had a butterfly keyboard.
Re:The 2020 MacBook Air by abrowne on Friday March 20, 2020 @06:49PM (#22642518)
You're right! I always forget about the MacBook.

But the 2015 MacBook Pro still had a keyboard deserving of the "best laptop ever made": https://marco.org/2017/11/14/best-laptop-ever

Re:The 2020 MacBook Air by ksk on Friday March 20, 2020 @04:02PM (#22641072)
People seem to like apple keyboards, and I believe that they sincerely do, but it never made any sense to me. Apple has always had average/poor ergonomics in my book, from their weirdly shaped mice to slippery phones that people keep dropping.
Re:The 2020 MacBook Air by Niccizero on Friday March 20, 2020 @03:36PM (#22640832)
Even regular cheap Lenovos have great keyboards compared to most laptops. Newer HPs are supricingly good, keys are too flat though and makes typing painful. Dells are atrocious, which sucks because 8-yrs ago they had among the best keyboards (together with Lenovo Thinkpads). Thinkpads are still ahead of the pack but they've been cutting travel lately in the thinner models.
Re:The 2020 MacBook Air by panzagl on Friday March 20, 2020 @03:55PM (#22641012)
The problem is, PC laptops used to have great keyboards until they all decided they had to be just like Apple.
Re:The 2020 MacBook Air by Userno1122 on Friday March 20, 2020 @03:24PM (#22640713)
Compare the same price MacBook for the same price Lenovo, and you will see how the rest of the industry has clearly figured it out. Not shilling for Lenovo, but yeah, there's nothing special about it.
Re:The 2020 MacBook Air by lozaning on Friday March 20, 2020 @03:26PM (#22640733)
You can pry the x220 classic keyboard I've got on my x220 daily driver from my cold dead fingers.
Re:The 2020 MacBook Air by et-al on Friday March 20, 2020 @03:38PM (#22640851)
And even if they did manage to pry it away, you can order a replacement keyboard and install it yourself without any special tools.