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Re:GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobiliz... by SiVal on Thursday March 19, 2020 @12:34AM (#22624515)
It already does a lot of inflexible manufacturing, often by outsourcing overseas, but I'd love to see part of the US military converted to a rapid-response, highly flexible, fully-domestic manufacturing system. LOTS of very flexible automation, so they could take a wide range of designs and raw materials and rapidly switch from making one thing to making another and the ability to hugely ramp up production on demand without having to retrain people or recertify facilities. The people involved would be trained to set up for a different product every couple of weeks or so.

The system could be kept almost constantly humming, making one thing, switching and certifying, making another, switching and certifying, keeping them pre-trained, tested, and certified. The military itself has an ongoing need to rapidly adapt to new situations, but things are needed domestically for planned infrastructure, sudden large-scale destruction from earthquake/fire/flood/tornado disasters, sudden economic changes (ex: some sort of trade cutoff), strategic domestication (ex: immediately end reliance on some import), round-robin top-off of local emergency prep supplies, individual citizen preparedness supplies, etc.

Re:GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobiliz... by gnopgnip on Thursday March 19, 2020 @03:28AM (#22625337)
This is literally what the military is now. Under the berry amendment a lot of what the military buys needs to be 100% domestic. A significant fraction of military spending is to ensure that the logistics are in place in case of a greater need in the future, not just to fulfill current needs and training, or any specific mission.
Re:GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobiliz... by joezydeco on Thursday March 19, 2020 @09:49AM (#22627455)
This is a great 99PI podcast about the US Army Natick center, which develops military rations.

https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/war-and-pizza/

Part of the mission is to develop the technology and then commercialize it. Now you have a number of factories that are capable of switching into ration production if the need arises.

Things like powdered cheese, condiment packets, and retort packaging came out of this research.

Re:GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobiliz... by chrisjc on Thursday March 19, 2020 @11:39AM (#22628469)
Off-topic, but my podcast list has been so enriched through reading HN comment. Thanks for the link.
Re:GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobiliz... by noir_lord on Thursday March 19, 2020 @03:35AM (#22625376)
Same reason there are rules about ships going between US ports been manufactured in the US - to keep strategic ship building capacity in the event of a war.
Re:GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobiliz... by tobylane on Thursday March 19, 2020 @03:49AM (#22625431)
That well meaning law means there’s one cruise ship that fits the requirements, all the others visit one foreign port. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pride_of_America

It looks like the cargo ship law, Jones Act, is more successful in creating capacity.

Re:GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobiliz... by brobdingnagians on Thursday March 19, 2020 @05:24AM (#22625848)
Even then, it took a special exemption from Congress since it was towed to and finished in Germany after the initial company filed bankruptcy.

> Norwegian Cruise Line Ltd acquired the unfinished ship and was towed to Germany for completion as Pride of America for their newly launched NCL America division. > A special exemption on the part of the U.S. government allowed the modified, mostly German-built ship to attain U.S. registry. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pride_of_America

Re:GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobiliz... by dantheman on Thursday March 19, 2020 @08:37AM (#22626842)
Re:GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobiliz... by ethbro on Thursday March 19, 2020 @01:01AM (#22624636)
Re:GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobiliz... by TheSpiceIsLife on Thursday March 19, 2020 @01:47AM (#22624870)
I was going to say: surely the US military maintains a manufacturing core?

I’m a metal fabricator by trade, and one thing you quickly notice is: with a machine shop and a fabrication shop you are tooled up to build the machines to manufacture almost anything.

Re:GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobiliz... by 0xWTF on Thursday March 19, 2020 @02:34AM (#22625090)
Folks, military physician here, operating at the national level on the analysis that informs these projects. The recent post on HN about the MIT $100 ventilator is one of the things that got this rolling.

Manufacturing is spinning up. What I really need is developers on this project:

https://github.com/joshua-s/coronavirus-diary

Re:GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobiliz... by grogenaut on Thursday March 19, 2020 @02:48AM (#22625148)
Josh you should put a call to action on the repo. There are no issues listed. I don't see links to anywhere that would let me help listed on the readme.
Re:GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobiliz... by morphle on Thursday March 19, 2020 @07:24AM (#22626429)
How can I contact you?

There is an app already in use in the Netherlands. They are field testing at scale and releasing better versions twice a day. Next monday it will be distributed to all hospitals and most citizens. Dutch PBS prime time news had a 5 minute documentary on the app yesterday March 18th.

Re:GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobiliz... by agurk on Thursday March 19, 2020 @04:56AM (#22625705)
From the README file on the coronavirus-diary:

Coronavirus Diary is a mobile application that allows users to record their medical status, location, and activities to an encrypted vault on their device. If the user experiences symptoms in line with the disease, they will be prompted to contact their physician.

In the case that a user contracts the disease, they can release their historical data to a physician to aid in treatment, research, and containment effort.

Re:GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobiliz... by ISL on Thursday March 19, 2020 @11:14AM (#22628244)
There are a lot of software projects spinning up -- how do we know that this one is going to see active use?

As an example for my concern -- I've had a consistently-updated pull-request[1] outstanding for the JHU data repository for more than a week. It is their prerogative not to pull, but it means my contribution is largely wasted.

The coronavirus-diary project has one contributor, no issues, and no pull requests.

[1]https://github.com/CSSEGISandData/COVID-19/pull/296

Re:GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobiliz... by 0xWTF on Thursday March 19, 2020 @04:35PM (#22631447)
OP here (and no, I'm not josh). We need the project to get from 1 to 2 to 10 to N. That 1 to 2 bit is hard. Please, push a bit.

JHU is bandwidth-constrained. Put your effort where it can have effect.

Re:GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobiliz... by egwor on Thursday March 19, 2020 @03:33AM (#22625365)
What help do you need? - testers? - docs? - code reviews?
Re:GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobiliz... by 0xWTF on Thursday March 19, 2020 @07:05PM (#22632721)
Need more developers:

* security engineer

* iOS engineer

* Android developer

* Dart engineers

* Flutter developers

* Engineers with health industry experience

* backend infrastructure

* backend security

Goal: 1-2 months to MVP deployment. Maybe sooner if people pile on.

Re:GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobiliz... by rickdangerous1 on Thursday March 19, 2020 @02:49AM (#22625149)
Wow...really? A MIT project with HN post is what kicked this off. As in...no one thought of this until then?
Re:GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobiliz... by efp on Thursday March 19, 2020 @03:20AM (#22625296)
welcome to the information age, where even the top brass can't make sense of it all and consequences will never be the same
Re:GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobiliz... by sandfly on Thursday March 19, 2020 @08:35AM (#22626828)
Machine shops are Turing complete. You can use a machine to fabricate the machine you are using.
Re:GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobiliz... by tlb on Thursday March 19, 2020 @10:49AM (#22627981)
Very few are. Making ball bearings, for example, requires very special machines that no regular shop has.
Re:GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobiliz... by catherd on Thursday March 19, 2020 @11:49AM (#22628584)
...but you can make machines in machine shops, as pointed out above. or machines to make machines, if needed.

or in the simpler case you might fall back to scraped and oiled ways and bushings

Re:GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobiliz... by rwmurrayVT on Thursday March 19, 2020 @10:03AM (#22627570)
'Their Optical Section performs optical alignment on shafting, masts, and other equipment.'

That's me! Norfolk Naval Station is just one shipyard in the area. There are similar yards with all of the same equipment. BAE/Colanna/NASSCO/NNSY/Lyons/ECSR. It's the same story in San Diego, Pascagula, Jacksonville, Hawaii.

Re:GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobiliz... by ethbro on Thursday March 19, 2020 @01:42PM (#22629783)
Cool!

That's the cleanest link I came across to illustrate the point. I think people forget how much end-to-end manufacturing capability the military retains (especially the Navy), even in these days of outsourced procurement pressure.

Re:GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobiliz... by rwmurrayVT on Tuesday March 24, 2020 @01:41PM (#22676740)
Required to buy from USA manufacturers for nearly every thing. There are a substantial number of small shops supporting the US Navy.
Re:GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobiliz... by fludlight on Thursday March 19, 2020 @01:55AM (#22624920)
This should be distributed geographically, meaning the pork could be spread around, meaning it is remotely possible to pass.
Re:GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobiliz... by dr_dshiv on Thursday March 19, 2020 @01:44AM (#22624854)
I love this idea. Non-wartime competition with contractors.