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Re:Ask HN: Have you been laid off? by tcgv on Wednesday March 18, 2020 @05:55PM (#22621649)
> A very large portion of my circles was aware that COVID was about to explode (...)

Your circles seem to be the exception then. There are a lot of factors that affect personal perception of such matters, like proximity to inflicted areas, professional background (ex: medical), experiencing similar events in the past, etc.

In hindsight it seems obvious that the world wasn't paying attention. But it took until February for western countries to realize the epidemic was already out of control, and the markets reacted.

> prevention measures would either drastically slow the economy or not be taken and the impact would be worse

Anyone that knew this last month without a doubt could've made tons of money shorting positions in the stock market.

Re:Ask HN: Have you been laid off? by ellyagg on Wednesday March 18, 2020 @06:21PM (#22621928)
He's probably talking about the rationalist community, and people did.

https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1233174331133284353

Re:Ask HN: Have you been laid off? by eropple on Wednesday March 18, 2020 @07:04PM (#22622405)
I assure you I am not talking about the aggressive curve-fitting community. Just...normal people. Nobody famous, not even any Chinese nationals. Just...fairly normal, if tech-worker-y, Americans and Europeans.
Re:Ask HN: Have you been laid off? by smnrchrds on Wednesday March 18, 2020 @10:48PM (#22623894)
By and large, both the general public and organizations were caught by surprise. If most people knew, the stocks would have tanked in January, not these past few days.

Which brings an interesting question: how many of all the people you know who knew, yourself included, put their skin in the game and are now rich from the options they bought in January? If it is not many, I would argue it is better to say people suspected or feared, not that they knew.

Re:Ask HN: Have you been laid off? by eropple on Thursday March 19, 2020 @01:53AM (#22624906)
It's a real big stretch from "certain enough to take personal precautions" to "is a stock head and wants to throw down puts". You get that normal people don't really give a damn about the stock market, yeah? Put a gun to my head and I can't tell you how a put works and I don't really care--I'm too busy buying a house.

I did, however, rebalance almost entirely out of stocks three weeks ago and while I am not "now rich", my portfolio is doing a hell of a lot better than most folks'.

Re:Ask HN: Have you been laid off? by californical on Thursday March 19, 2020 @03:23AM (#22625312)
+1 to this. I'd been worrying since mid-late January, and aggressively telling people since early February that this was going to be bad... but even a week ago, tons of people that I talked to were thinking that this was such an overreaction and would blow over. Just couldn't believe it, even after seeing how it went in Italy, a majority of people said the US would never have that problem.

I didn't even know that a "put" on the stock market was a thing until last week, and am not particularly interested in figuring out how to do that... But I did back out of buying a car because I thought I'd be better off to have the cash when this gets bad, and here we are now in this thread... Maybe next time (hopefully there isn't one) I'll figure out more of what a "put" actually is and how to get one

Re:Ask HN: Have you been laid off? by ivanche on Thursday March 19, 2020 @03:08AM (#22625241)
Out of curiosity, do you have any plan when and why to go back in stocks? I'm currently 20% stocks (ETFs really), 5% bonds, 75% cash. I only plan to continue buying stocks and bonds every month, as usual (so, DCA).
Re:Ask HN: Have you been laid off? by tcgv on Thursday March 19, 2020 @08:55AM (#22626959)
Re:Ask HN: Have you been laid off? by eropple on Thursday March 19, 2020 @09:48PM (#22633753)
50% tends to be near enough the bottom for these kinds of things that that's when I'll rebalance my retirement fund. I'm going to keep my brokerage out longer as I have shorter-term needs for that money.
Re:Ask HN: Have you been laid off? by kls on Thursday March 19, 2020 @09:00AM (#22627003)
I pretty much agree with you on this, my wife is a Doctor so I got to overhear a lot of calls where the CDC and the local Doctors/Hospitals and none of them saw this as obviously exploding into a pandemic. Rather they made decisions as it progressed.

That being said, I did take what I felt was a risk at the time and shorted Royal Caribbean and Carnival Cruise lines which payed off, but I was not certain that at the time it would (if I was I would have risked a whole lot more), I went off a hunch once I started seeing them close the ports to cruise ships. I am now buying those stocks because I think their hit from CORVID-19 is priced in, but we will see. It's all a guessing game on good hunches. Hardly anybody saw it exploding (short of the doctors on the ground in Wuhan) and everyone was hoping that it was going to be contained in China just like SARS was.

The reality is, Doctors and the CDC do not make decisions on news reports they make them on papers and data from people on the ground. That data was actively being suppressed to some extent by China until it was too late. Sure there where rouge Chinese doctors in the media warning us (and they where right), but that is a thin straw to base policy on. Once the true data was out and the CDC could base guideline on it, it was already too late.

Also to note I am sorry and pray for those of you that are affected by this.

Re:Ask HN: Have you been laid off? by hef19898 on Thursday March 19, 2020 @04:35AM (#22625627)
A lot of this seems to be "I told you so". And yet, I have a hard time believing anybody could have foreseen an almost complete shutdown of the global economy over this. A lot of the "we saw that coming" can be boiled down to "it will be bad".

But even if you saw it coming, how does this help now? Right, it doesn't.

That someone's circles saw it coming doesn't help. Wht you can do now helps. Unfortunately a lot of these folks are lacking in that department IMHO.

Re:Ask HN: Have you been laid off? by 101404 on Thursday March 19, 2020 @06:26AM (#22626149)
SARS1 didn't have this effect. MERS didn't have this effect. And a number of other recent viruses didn't either.

But every time there were people "predicting" the worst. This time they were coindentially correct. Not because they "knew", but because chance.

Re:Ask HN: Have you been laid off? by caseysoftware on Wednesday March 18, 2020 @08:59PM (#22623240)
Trump announced the China travel ban on Jan 31 - effective Feb 2nd - which was over 6 weeks ago. Even then he was called names and the "it's just the flu" mantra started. Huge segments of the world saw what was coming and started moving, most didn't move far enough fast enough.

Ref: https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/31/21117403/trump-coronaviru...

Re:Ask HN: Have you been laid off? by wbl on Wednesday March 18, 2020 @09:52PM (#22623594)
Trump had no backup plan for when, not if, a case went undetected in the US. He didn't start stockpiling masks and ventilators until much later.
Re:Ask HN: Have you been laid off? by caseysoftware on Wednesday March 18, 2020 @11:59PM (#22624313)
I agree. He didn't move far enough fast enough. The public's awareness and preparation was slowed by the media (NYT, WaPo, MSNBC, others) screaming "it's just the flu!" until just a couple weeks ago so most weren't prepared. :(

My comment was in response to people not realizing this was a thing a month ago.

Re:Ask HN: Have you been laid off? by martinpw on Thursday March 19, 2020 @12:43AM (#22624546)
I think it was other news organizations than the ones you listed that were the primary culprits in screaming "it's just the flu"
Re:Ask HN: Have you been laid off? by caseysoftware on Thursday March 19, 2020 @01:05AM (#22624662)
Read https://twitter.com/balajis starting early February and documented many of the posts. He was one of the earliest to call out their BS and anti-scientific agenda.

And then the House tried to remove Trump's travel ban: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/12/house-committee-vot...

You can play politics or you can look at reality.

Re:Ask HN: Have you been laid off? by cmurf on Thursday March 19, 2020 @05:14AM (#22625799)
https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/fcdckgt368/econTabReport.pdf

page 9 Do you think the coronavirus epidemic is a national emergency? yes, democrats 81%; no, republicans 53%

page 18 Which cable news network do you watch the most? Democrats, 42% CNN, 48% MSNBC; Republicans, 89% Fox News

Trump himself has been downplaying it this whole time. https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/trumps-statements-about-th...

Re:Ask HN: Have you been laid off? by gurumeditations on Thursday March 19, 2020 @02:24AM (#22625046)
That Politico article is about the travel ban involving Muslim countries, not China or any Asian country. Do you read your own sources?
Re:Ask HN: Have you been laid off? by caseysoftware on Thursday March 19, 2020 @02:32AM (#22625081)
Look at the date of the article very closely and realize that it covered all travel bans as noted in the subhead:

"The legislation would void all of Trump's executive actions establishing travel restrictions."