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Re:TikTok told moderators to suppress posts by “ugly” people... by kevin_thibedeau on Tuesday March 17, 2020 @08:02PM (#22612082)
The web was never a commons. It all rests on accessing content hosted by privately owned platforms. The commons is SMTP, SNTP, and IRC. Digital natives don't care about these because they aren't shiny and expect that the free stuff they've been given all their life is an inalienable right.
Re:TikTok told moderators to suppress posts by “ugly” people... by swiley on Tuesday March 17, 2020 @08:58PM (#22612493)
Apple has intentionally killed chat apps other than email and centralized stuff by not allowing self hosted push servers.

Don’t blame this on young people, IRC was becoming popular again right around when the iPhone started to become necessary for everything.

Re:TikTok told moderators to suppress posts by “ugly” people... by briandear on Tuesday March 17, 2020 @10:07PM (#22612873)
Whats App works on Apple, Signal, Telegram. How has Apple “killed” chat apps? That makes no sense.
Re:TikTok told moderators to suppress posts by “ugly” people... by majewsky on Wednesday March 18, 2020 @05:55AM (#22615031)
> chat apps other than email and centralized stuff

Emphasis added for clarification.

Re:TikTok told moderators to suppress posts by “ugly” people... by dmix on Tuesday March 17, 2020 @10:02PM (#22612842)
Rights don't involve being given "free stuff", they exist to prevents it from being taken away. Which is a super popular misconception (or at least misuse) all on its own.
Re:TikTok told moderators to suppress posts by “ugly” people... by paulddraper on Tuesday March 17, 2020 @11:42PM (#22613412)
Re:TikTok told moderators to suppress posts by “ugly” people... by dmix on Wednesday March 18, 2020 @01:33AM (#22613925)
If you read that Wikipedia you linked it supports my position more than negates it. Positive rights are rarely if ever imposed on individuals or organizations of a country and almost always involve some sort of significantly limited contract which outlines the government's responsibility to fulfill them.

For example, there's a massive difference between saying "everyone has a right to healthcare" in a country than saying "the provincial governments of Canada has to provide a public health insurance option to tax paying citizens and temporary visitors".

When I walk into a doctors office as a Canadian citizen or enter the ER I'm still at the whims of the system. All that I know is that the financial costs of the what care I can find will be covered, care which is provided by a limited set of doctors, care the doctors decide to provide me often based on their perceptions of need and a broad definition of 'cosmetic'. If the doctors office is busy and all the ERs are full, or they don't believe what I say or that my symptoms don't require care, there's no one I can go to about my "right to healthcare" or right to spend the health insurance.

Proposing these limited arrangements as if they are positive rights does more harm than good. Once you add enough modifiers to make it accurate, you might as well not say it at all.

I know this matters little during political campaigns and all promises are non-binding so they might as well lie through their teeth as much as possible, up to the point people call bullshit. But it still significantly influences how we debate and discuss important topics, and it's a type of thinking which filters down into a lot of things which have little to do with political campaigns.

Re:TikTok told moderators to suppress posts by “ugly” people... by paulddraper on Wednesday March 18, 2020 @02:18PM (#22619641)
Politically, I don't disagree.

I do find this nomenclature helpful when trying to convince people.

Re:TikTok told moderators to suppress posts by “ugly” people... by kevin_thibedeau on Tuesday March 17, 2020 @10:39PM (#22613058)
Nobody has a right to someone else's property.