What’s it like? To be so cynical that it makes you so blindingly wrong? Terraform, packer, consul, and vault are all ground up products that solve very interesting problems. Nomad is a solid product. They’re all written from the ground up.

How many third party companies do you think get pre-release access to AWS, Azure, and GCE and many others so that their software (in this case terraform) supports it the day of announcement?

Yeah.

Do you know major financial and government institutions are using vault? Do you know how long it takes those organizations to use security software as core parts of their business? Vault is barely 3 years old and is extensively used by them.

Where is the thin wrappper in Hashicorp’s case?

I used all of them and they are really overrated. Also they are not solving much.

I agree with you, but perhaps we could lay off the tone at the start. Maybe GP is not cynical but just uninformed

That's not even true of Docker. Their business might have been poorly run but Docker containers as a universal package format and easily accessible over HTTP is a major innovation over what we had before.

Where's the innovation compared to LXC and wget?

Fast, easy and standardized product suite with a CLI, runtime and registry that led to massive industry-wide cross-platform usage and spin-off projects like Kubernetes compared to basically nothing for the decade before.

You don't have to invent new tech. Better UX counts as innovation, enough to be worth billions. Your reply reminds of the infamous Dropbox HN comment that said it was nothing more than FTP with SVN.

> spin-off projects like Kubernetes

Not quite- Kubernetes was an open source "spin-off" of Borg, which has been in use at Google since 2003.

However, Docker did quickly become the de facto standard for containerization on k8s, due in part to its prevalence and ease of use as you mentioned above.

what part of vault, consul, terraform or any of their other tools makes any of them a thin wrapper around linux?

Absolutely spot on. They could try to sell find, grep and less.

Most of the recent "hip" devops tools replace 100 lines of homegrown python with 10000 lines of lock-in and hype.