Re:Containment gets harder every day we delay
by wcoenen on Sunday March 15, 2020 @07:35PM
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> Sometimes the perfect measure on paper doesn't work the way people imagine
This is true. Here in Belgium all restaurants and non-essential shops closed. The day before this took effect, restaurants were packed with people going out while they still could. The day after, people went shopping and dining en masse just over the border in France and the Netherlands, where the same measures had not been taken.
It's amazing how reckless some people can be. Shut down restaurants to stop the spread of the virus, so people go to restaurants further away, to spread the virus even more. You'd think shutting everything down would be a pretty clear signal, but apparently a lot of people just don't care.
Re:Containment gets harder every day we delay
by zozbot234 on Sunday March 15, 2020 @07:48PM
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It's complacency. People think about the here and now, not what the situation will be 7 days afterwards or more, when these measures will actually have visible effects and may ultimately impact whether they catch the disease and/or can get effective treatment for it.
Re:Containment gets harder every day we delay
by rm_-rf_slash on Sunday March 15, 2020 @08:14PM
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I think to give these people a minimum benefit of the doubt, we as a species have never before dealt with a virus that can last on surfaces for days, incubate for several weeks, and remain in lungs for over a month beyond a “recovered” patient testing negative. Not to mention the known yet nearly impossible to measure asymptomatic spread.
All of this is new in so many ways all at once. Frankly I think it’s so beyond our expectations of what a virus can be that many people simply don’t believe the facts.
This is why governments should admit Covid19 is a problem that requires strong coordination at EU level. Going alone, as we've done until now, is not going to work - the continent is too small and too joined-up nowadays. Von der Leyen seems to understand this better than most, certainly better than Macron and Merkel.
Re:Containment gets harder every day we delay
by angelbar on Sunday March 15, 2020 @07:50PM
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Darwinism....
> "Italy should have locked down hospitals first, but it's kinda impractical"
It's kinda pointless to quarantine people and then let them have visitors. I guess it's obvious in hindsight, but it's still hard to understand how this wasn't already obvious then.
Virus has spread initially because it got into hospitals and family members visiting brought it around
Italy should have locked down hospitals first, but it's kinda impractical
As for the "stay home" mantra, of course it helps, but radically changing people habits make them also less predictable, so instead of people going to work, we had people who ran away from orange areas and even red, because they could, or gathering for not staying alone, spreading it even more
Sometimes the perfect measure on paper doesn't work the way people imagine
Of course if we talk about military personnel patrolling the streets that could work, but it's a little bit against what a democracy exists for...