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Re:Germany tries to stop U.S. from luring away firm seeking ... by MegaButts on Sunday March 15, 2020 @12:32PM (#22584334)
Please share your data and calculations for this claim. I understand how exponential growth works, and I realize there is an incubation period, but this really just feels like unnecessary fear mongering considering we're at less than 6000 deaths worldwide as of now.

https://talksub.com/covid19

Re:Germany tries to stop U.S. from luring away firm seeking ... by Certhas on Sunday March 15, 2020 @01:12PM (#22584729)
I agree it's hyperbolic, but the numbers are staggering and quoting the current deaths are really misleading in this respect. This will affect small percentages of everyone. A million deaths world wide, with a disease that is expected to reach 60+% of the population is not much. It's the difference in the death rate of 0.02%. In other words, if a sufficiently early intervention manages to reduce the death rate from 1% to 0.98%, that's a million lifes saved.

However, the sensitive dependence on initial conditions only applies to things that happen during exponential growth. By the time a vaccine hits (according to many reputable sources about a year from now) we will be in a very different stage of the disease anyway.

Re:Germany tries to stop U.S. from luring away firm seeking ... by gameswithgo on Sunday March 15, 2020 @01:48PM (#22585071)
So you expect some mechanism to prevent the exponential growth then? Which?
Re:Germany tries to stop U.S. from luring away firm seeking ... by CydeWeys on Sunday March 15, 2020 @12:35PM (#22584365)
The earliest a vaccine will come is a year from now. The good majority of deaths will happen before then. So a one week delay won't be that costly.
Re:Germany tries to stop U.S. from luring away firm seeking ... by djsumdog on Sunday March 15, 2020 @12:39PM (#22584406)
..and it should come years from now. Hearing some researchers talk about fast tracking a SARS-cov2 vaccine in 18 ~24 months seems terribly unsafe. Vaccines need extensive animal testing following by phased human trials, less we have a repeat of the Lyme disease vaccine.

General vaccines for Corona virus families should have started years ago. H1N1 had a vaccine because it was a known flu that was researched previously. It was just the ramp-up/production time that was the issue there.

Re:Germany tries to stop U.S. from luring away firm seeking ... by nangz on Sunday March 15, 2020 @12:48PM (#22584467)
The Lyme disease vaccine: "By 2001, 1.4 million doses of the vaccine had been distributed, but the FDA’s Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System only picked up on 59 reports of arthritis."

Rates of arthritis roughly at population baseline level.

People who talk about going through the motions of 2 years of animal trials have zero perspective. In wartime, this pedantry needs to be chucked our the window. Do the high yield human tests asap using heroic volunteers, and do it fast.

Re:Germany tries to stop U.S. from luring away firm seeking ... by Ididntdothis on Sunday March 15, 2020 @01:09PM (#22584690)
“using heroic volunteers,”

I assume you are one of them?

Re:Germany tries to stop U.S. from luring away firm seeking ... by rriepe on Sunday March 15, 2020 @12:55PM (#22584545)
Moving too fast and not being careful could be what gave us Covid-19. If it comes out that it was a product of SARS/MERS research then the tone of these "move fast" conversations will certainly change.
Re:Germany tries to stop U.S. from luring away firm seeking ... by jacquesm on Sunday March 15, 2020 @01:12PM (#22584722)
Please take your conspiracy stuff somewhere else.
Re:Germany tries to stop U.S. from luring away firm seeking ... by rriepe on Sunday March 15, 2020 @01:23PM (#22584828)
What's the conspiracy?
Re:Germany tries to stop U.S. from luring away firm seeking ... by CydeWeys on Sunday March 15, 2020 @01:51PM (#22585110)
The bullshit about COVID-19 coming out of SARS/MERS research.

It's a zoonotic disease. It came from wildlife and jumped the species barrier.

Re:Germany tries to stop U.S. from luring away firm seeking ... by gameswithgo on Sunday March 15, 2020 @01:49PM (#22585085)
we know it isn't, we can tell because of genetic sequencing that it isn't.
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Re:Germany tries to stop U.S. from luring away firm seeking ... by dang on Sunday March 15, 2020 @04:38PM (#22586543)
Please stop.