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Re:Open letter from Italy to the international scientific co... by nullc on Saturday March 14, 2020 @09:34PM (#22580368)
> As an Italian, I raise my eyebrows every time China is mentioned as an example for the successful containment of this virus. It could do that because it could afford to take the economical hit and because it is an authoritarian state,

You know what is MUCH more effective than an authoritarian response? An _earlier response_.

An earlier response, even if it weaker, is much more potent than a stronger later response.

The intensity of china's response would not be necessary where the response is faster.

> but following rules in place in an outbreak does not mean one should not question their principles.

The best way to preserve civil rights and not have to bend them to protect against loss of life is to respond as early as you can reasonable justify.

In the US the fact that our principles (and laws!) tie our hands somewhat is all the more reason that it's important that we act aggressively within the space that our society allows.

> Personally I'd like fast-tracking of anti-SARS-CoV-2 drugs instead

Responding earlier keeps people alive longer for those drugs to become available.

Re:Open letter from Italy to the international scientific co... by jacquesm on Saturday March 14, 2020 @10:06PM (#22580573)
> You know what is MUCH more effective than an authoritarian response? An _earlier response_.

Absolutely. If this were Kerbal Space Program just about everybody would be able to tell you that the best moment to deflect an orbit is early on when you only need a little push for a giant effect later on. With exponential developments timing is everything.

Re:Open letter from Italy to the international scientific co... by fma on Saturday March 14, 2020 @09:38PM (#22580388)
Agreed. And where is Trump's response? We don't even have enough testing kits. We had 2 months to ramp things up.
Re:Open letter from Italy to the international scientific co... by malandrew on Saturday March 14, 2020 @10:14PM (#22580610)
Relying solely on the federal government for a response is a single point of failure. Regardless of who is in control of the FDA and CDC, neither agency should have had the ability to block testing. Not having a breakglass feature is downright stupid.
Re:Open letter from Italy to the international scientific co... by tomp on Saturday March 14, 2020 @09:46PM (#22580450)
At least he closed the borders. Russia as well. EU can't even do that.
Re:Open letter from Italy to the international scientific co... by jmartinpetersen on Sunday March 15, 2020 @04:31AM (#22582184)
Several EU countries have already closed or will be closing their sovereign borders in the next 24 hours. They can do that. They are doing it.
Re:Open letter from Italy to the international scientific co... by dhosek on Saturday March 14, 2020 @11:12PM (#22580900)
He did it in an ineffective way. US nationals were returning from the EU without any screening. And it was way too late. All a bunch of xenophobia theater.
Re:Open letter from Italy to the international scientific co... by nullc on Sunday March 15, 2020 @12:06AM (#22581174)
Though I agree with your criticism in broad strokes, this is also a numbers game. If it reduced the number of infected people entering then it was useful. It doesn't have to completely eliminate it to be worth doing.

There are legal and logistical challenges in preventing US residents from entering or imposing quarantine.

Would strong or (more importantly) earlier responses have been good? Absolutely! But a weak and late response is much better than an even later response (even if the later response is stronger).

By the numbers we should prefer a non-US-resident ban-- even without screening/quarantine-- on day 20 than a everyone-ban on day 40.

Re:Open letter from Italy to the international scientific co... by caseysoftware on Saturday March 14, 2020 @10:00PM (#22580526)
The China travel ban went into effect 6 weeks ago. Italy, South Korea, and Japan followed not too long after.

He was even called a dictator for that.

Correction: South Korea & Japan were "do not travel" not specific travel bans.

Re:Open letter from Italy to the international scientific co... by fma on Saturday March 14, 2020 @10:08PM (#22580583)
Wait, I hope you are joking because you are spreading misinformation. Japan and Korea were NEVER banned. China was and Italy was just a few days ago.

Japan: level 2 (exercise caution) https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/...

Korea:level 3 (reconsider) https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/...

Re:Open letter from Italy to the international scientific co... by caseysoftware on Saturday March 14, 2020 @10:14PM (#22580607)
My mistake. You are correct. They weren't travel bans but "don't go there" recommendations.

Regardless, they're still a response which refutes your original point.