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Re:Open letter from Italy to the international scientific co... by zozbot234 on Saturday March 14, 2020 @09:07PM (#22580207)
"The very end of December" was 20+ days prior to the Wuhan lockdown, which was was essentially the only instance where China officially acknowledged the disease - before then, the local government was having police caution their doctors and scientists not to talk or "spread untrue rumors" about it. In the meantime, people in Wuhan and elsewhere were just hanging out as usual with no social distancing behaviors whatsoever. Not even wearing protective masks, which is a common habit there unlike the West.
Re:Open letter from Italy to the international scientific co... by coliveira on Saturday March 14, 2020 @09:26PM (#22580306)
People are very quick to blame Chinese officials, but I think they were correct in avoiding panic before knowing for sure the true dimensions of the problem they had at hand. The government has its credibility at stake: if you start using harsh measures without evidence, you lose credibility for the next time it is really needed.
Re:Open letter from Italy to the international scientific co... by Renaud on Sunday March 15, 2020 @07:55AM (#22582926)
You have to be kidding.

They were correct in threatening a doctor who reported what he saw (facts) to retract his statements as being _false_?

The local government didn't want to believe in the threat and wanted very much to keep any negative news hushed out of fear of looking bad to the central government.

So there you have it, a country governed by fear where people prefer to hide issues instead of quickly seeking help.

They could have done it through internal channels, without the public knowing but no, they crushed the messengers and tried to hide the facts until it was too late.

The central government admitted it itself: https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1506445-20200203.h...

Re:Open letter from Italy to the international scientific co... by zozbot234 on Saturday March 14, 2020 @09:30PM (#22580337)
> People are very quick to blame Chinese officials, but I think they were correct in avoiding panic

That's for sure but there's a useful middle ground between mindless panic and total complacency, and these Chinese officials were way too far on the complacency side for quite some time.

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Re:Open letter from Italy to the international scientific co... by SZJX on Sunday March 15, 2020 @04:54AM (#22582266)
A quite black-and-white view to take when it's shown pretty well in this letter how the containment strategy they adopted apparently cut down the transmission a lot and potentially prevented many deaths. Would an alternative government that you propose do better in China? Very debatable. The world is not a good vs. evil story you know.
Re:Open letter from Italy to the international scientific co... by adventured on Sunday March 15, 2020 @09:38AM (#22583410)
Most countries would not intentionally cover up serious outbreaks like this, much less do it twice (as previously with SARS).

They wouldn't threaten and silence numerous doctors that tried to warn everyone.

They wouldn't blockade access to one of the world's largest cities, to prevent outside health inspectors from assessing what was really going on. It wasn't until the first week of February that they were willing to let a major contingent of outside experts in, including from the US. That was two months into the outbreak and a point where things had already gotten very bad.

If this had started in France and the US asked to send experts in to help, France would not deny that request, they wouldn't blockade Paris off from all foreign access to hide what was really happening (how bad it was, and what they were doing to people).

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Re:Open letter from Italy to the international scientific co... by caseysoftware on Saturday March 14, 2020 @09:52PM (#22580480)
I live in Austin where people are still lamenting SXSW being canceled and the Democrat Mayor was still encouraging people to go out to concerts after he canceled SXSW.

And the tech press mocked "no handshakes" until less than a month ago.

Stupid knows no political party.

Re:Open letter from Italy to the international scientific co... by nojvek on Saturday March 14, 2020 @10:19PM (#22580631)
The only way I see the mocking change is when they see their close ones being infected. We haven't seen anything like this (at-least in our lifetime) where the entire world was in semi-lockdown.

Sure our president is really downplaying it, but how do you even fight something that makes some people sick, and not others. There could be 1000s of carriers of COVID-19 who don't even know it.

Re:Open letter from Italy to the international scientific co... by inferiorhuman on Sunday March 15, 2020 @02:08AM (#22581677)
Stupid knows no political party.

It's a spectrum of stupid. Moscow Mitch is holding up financial relief because it's a good opportunity to stick it to Planned Parenthood.

Re:Open letter from Italy to the international scientific co... by caseysoftware on Sunday March 15, 2020 @09:51AM (#22583477)
Your anti-Russia, nationalist rhetoric is not welcome here.
Re:Open letter from Italy to the international scientific co... by inferiorhuman on Sunday March 15, 2020 @10:07PM (#22589042)
You're conflating self-determination with nationalism, and the upvotes I got would suggest that HN is generally OK with calling out foreign election interference.
Re:Open letter from Italy to the international scientific co... by caseysoftware on Monday March 16, 2020 @02:42AM (#22590561)
Looks like lots of people consider them the same.

"Nationalism is an ideology and movement that promotes the interests of a particular nation (as in a group of people) especially with the aim of gaining and maintaining the nation's sovereignty (self-governance) over its homeland. Nationalism holds that each nation should govern itself, free from outside interference (self-determination), that a nation is a natural and ideal basis for a polity,[2] and that the nation is the only rightful source of political power (popular sovereignty)."

Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism