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Re:Koenigsegg’s 2.0-liter no-camshaft engine makes 600 horse... by dfee on Saturday March 14, 2020 @01:45PM (#22577054)
Sure dude. And as a driver on a motorbike, how about you stay off your cell phone while driving. And, as I frequently see here in California, how about you all also stop smoking blunts while driving?

I should mention that a lot of motorcyclists feel that loud exhausts are a way of protecting themselves from distracted drivers.

Re:Koenigsegg’s 2.0-liter no-camshaft engine makes 600 horse... by anyfoo on Saturday March 14, 2020 @04:21PM (#22578348)
Strangely enough, they aren’t allowed to “protect” themselves doing that in Germany, and yet the fatality rate per capita is much lower.
Re:Koenigsegg’s 2.0-liter no-camshaft engine makes 600 horse... by ukd1 on Saturday March 14, 2020 @09:20PM (#22580276)
German driving is way-way-way better on average than anywhere in the US. The test here is a joke, there is no lane discipline, and most folks drive very selfishly: driving in Germany has always been a much better experience, I'd understand why you'd need to on a bike in the US.
Re:Koenigsegg’s 2.0-liter no-camshaft engine makes 600 horse... by throwythrower on Saturday March 14, 2020 @02:02PM (#22577218)
Motorcycles are dangerously loud (to the point of causing hearing damage). They amplify traffic woes when they weave in and out of crowded lanes. Oh and there’s a reason the “biker dude” stereotype exists.

If generating incessant noise is your only way of staying safe on the road, maybe consider getting something not as risky. Drive a car or take the bus. It works for the vast majority of people, maybe they’re on to something eh?

Re:Koenigsegg’s 2.0-liter no-camshaft engine makes 600 horse... by silverreads on Saturday March 14, 2020 @02:15PM (#22577332)
SUVs are probably the safest option. You get your nice isolation and you also get a nice crash cage! I wonder why it's so hard to prove to motorcyclists that this is the most efficient option!?

...Because they don't care about that crap. They are way ahead of your efficiency, often even ahead of the efficiency of a bus. A bike can get 70mpg without very much trouble and some more than 100mpg, and they don't cause traffic congestion in the first place because they occupy little additional space beyond the rider.

Gee, Maybe they're on to something, eh?

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Re:Koenigsegg’s 2.0-liter no-camshaft engine makes 600 horse... by kronin on Saturday March 14, 2020 @06:46PM (#22579334)
Are we talking total environmental impact? Sourcing materials, manufacturing, shipping to point of sale, usage, maintenance and finally disposal?

Edit: just did some research on electric vs. gas vehicles and their total environmental impact. Nothing specifically on motorcycles, but some of the data would apply.

"Based on where EVs have been sold, driving the average EV produces global warming pollution equal to a gasoline vehicle that gets 88 miles per gallon (mpg) fuel economy." https://blog.ucsusa.org/dave-reichmuth/are-electric-vehicles...

"In a 2015 study, the Union of Concerned Scientists found that gas-powered cars emitted almost double the emissions that contribute to global warming as electric vehicles, which can make up the difference from the manufacturing stage in six to 18 months of driving, depending on the size of the battery." https://www.businessinsider.com/building-electric-cars-how-m...

Re:Koenigsegg’s 2.0-liter no-camshaft engine makes 600 horse... by salty_biscuits on Saturday March 14, 2020 @06:45PM (#22579323)
Honda super cub begs to differ. Only 90kg of materials and a fuel efficiency of 60 km/l plus...
Re:Koenigsegg’s 2.0-liter no-camshaft engine makes 600 horse... by manigandham on Saturday March 14, 2020 @06:10PM (#22579090)
Walking is more efficient than driving, it’s not viable beyond short distances.

Most vehicles are not electric yet.

Re:Koenigsegg’s 2.0-liter no-camshaft engine makes 600 horse... by jascii on Saturday March 14, 2020 @02:17PM (#22577353)
Cars kill a lot more people then motorcycles, just not their owners.. From that perspective motorcycles are the safer option.

No motorcycle causes hearing damage beyond the rider, and this is caused by wind noise not the engine.

The "weaving in and out of crowded lanes" is easily solved: don't be a selfish prick, give them some room..

Re:Koenigsegg’s 2.0-liter no-camshaft engine makes 600 horse... by andrepd on Saturday March 14, 2020 @01:52PM (#22577112)
Whataboutism at its finest. How to drivers using cell phones diminish the validity of complaints about excessive noise? They're two unrelated problems.
Re:Koenigsegg’s 2.0-liter no-camshaft engine makes 600 horse... by hinkley on Saturday March 14, 2020 @02:03PM (#22577229)
> I should mention that a lot of motorcyclists feel that loud exhausts are a way of protecting themselves from distracted drivers.

Not a motorcyclist, but I’ve heard this from many places. Can say that as a bicyclist, my best pieces of biggest safety equipment were in roughly descending order of importance: having my head in a swivel (vigilance), perfecting a barking shout, really good brakes, and in last place, a helmet. If the helmet comes into play you’re already at least a little fucked.

If I could make bikes louder I probably would.

The one time I’m aware I cut off a motorcyclist, it was his engine that kept me out of his lane (to be fair, he was nearly in my blind spot, which is partly on him)

Re:Koenigsegg’s 2.0-liter no-camshaft engine makes 600 horse... by dfee on Saturday March 14, 2020 @01:53PM (#22577122)
I’m confused. Did you not read my comment? I specifically addressed how they’re not two separate problems.
Re:Koenigsegg’s 2.0-liter no-camshaft engine makes 600 horse... by Klinky on Saturday March 14, 2020 @02:09PM (#22577268)
You need to accept some responsibility when deciding to ride a motorcycle. You're essentially saying you're okay with your body acting as the crumple zone in a crash. If it's so dangerous out there that you need to rumble around at 100dB then maybe it's time to reconsider. Many cars have impressive sound dampening and those that don't have wind noise drowning out almost anything else on the road.
Re:Koenigsegg’s 2.0-liter no-camshaft engine makes 600 horse... by jascii on Saturday March 14, 2020 @02:27PM (#22577421)
Yes, I choose to have my body be the crumble zone rather then using some innocent child for that purpose from the comfort of a 2 ton piece of armor with blind spots the size of Manhattan. Cars are about the most selfish ways to haul your rump around. I personally don't have loud pipes, but in the context of the damage your car does the complaint is laughable.
Re:Koenigsegg’s 2.0-liter no-camshaft engine makes 600 horse... by Klinky on Saturday March 14, 2020 @02:57PM (#22577710)
Do you really think that you wouldn't kill a child if you crashed into one on a motorcycle, or that the visibility on your motorcycle makes that outcome impossible?

Car safety for occupants and pedestrians has improved dramatically over the last few decades. The same cannot be said for motorcycles.

Re:Koenigsegg’s 2.0-liter no-camshaft engine makes 600 horse... by jascii on Saturday March 14, 2020 @03:07PM (#22577784)
Yes I do. And what's more, both statistics and my insurance company agree.

The simple fact that my own life is at stake, makes me much more aware of my surroundings. This is a well researched neurological fact. Also, a 450lbs projectile has a lot less impact then a 2 ton one at the same speed. It is also significantly harder to hit a child with a 3' wide vehicle then with a 7' wide one..

Car safety for occupants has increased and due to a side effect of aerodynamic design survivability of a pedestrian crash has marginally increased. Due to gigantic A pillars and a false sense of security, the amount of accidents has significantly increased and the safety of other road users is at an all time low.

Re:Koenigsegg’s 2.0-liter no-camshaft engine makes 600 horse... by Klinky on Saturday March 14, 2020 @03:33PM (#22578005)
Did you double check that your lower insurance rates aren't due to non-existant injury/medical and uninsured motorist coverage, reduced value of the vehicle, and the vehicle being classified as a recreational vehicle vs daily driver?

(450lbs motorcyle + 160lb rider) vs 60lb child = death.

Riding a motorcycle while impaired, is one of the leading causes of motorcycle fatalities. Failing to wear PPE accounts for a significant number of potentially non-fatal accidents becoming fatal. Distracted riding is also on the rise. This doesn't seem to imply motorcyclists are inherently more aware of their surroundings or making better decisions due to the increased danger.

Re:Koenigsegg’s 2.0-liter no-camshaft engine makes 600 horse... by jascii on Saturday March 14, 2020 @05:05PM (#22578690)
Yes, I have all that. It's pretty much a legal requirement for any motorvehicle in any state I know off.

I am very aware of all the leading causes of death for motorcyclists. Your conclusion doesn't make sense though, there is a ridiculous amount of selection bias in there: they only looked at people who died... By and far motorcyclists are very safety concious people, they have to be: those who aren't tend to quit quickly, one way or another. Personally, I have ridden a motorcycle as my primary form of transportation for over 30 years without any meaningful incidents

Re:Koenigsegg’s 2.0-liter no-camshaft engine makes 600 horse... by aguyfromnb on Saturday March 14, 2020 @01:58PM (#22577182)
>Whataboutism at its finest.

Your comment was, literally, "what about noisy motorbikes".