Certainly the previous comment was conflating things that happened in the past with what's happening how. I was sometimes disappointed with the reality of the Obama presidency, like may others. But this comment is just ridiculous. From the policies, to the personal conduct, to their respect or lack thereof for the rule of law, the two administrations and the actions of the two in and out of office are wildly different.

This is the part where I remind people that Obama drone striked a 16 year old US citizen without trial in a non active war zone and a cafe full of civilians because someone bad might be there (and wasn't so just killed a bunch of innocent people). That's a war crime tantamount to murder.

You're right in some respects Obama is worse. I definitely feel like I could have a beer with him, but fuck me if he didn't do things as bad as Bush or worse. People called Bush the same names they called Trump now, so it doesn't mean as much anymore.

> but fuck me if he didn't do things as bad as Bush or worse.

If you actually believe this, you grossly lack a sense of scale. Multiplying Obama's actions by 100 doesn't come close to starting the Iraq war.

He continued the war, he didn't pull out as promised.

Got involved in Syria.

He kept Guantanamo open.

He upped the number of drone strikes. Knowingly killed a 16 year old US citizen who was not an enemy combatant or in a country like Iraq or Afghanistan.

He extended the Patriot Act.

All things he criticized Bush for.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/14/13577464/...

> He continued the war, he didn't pull out as promised.

What he promised: "my first day in office, I would give the military a new mission: ending this war". [1]

That's not the same as "pull out".

> Got involved in Syria.

"Got involved" in an already ongoing crisis, and arguably a direct result of the Iraq war, is not the same as starting the Iraq war. Not even fucking close.

Syria: 2.5k troops [2] Iraq: ~300k troops [3], and we've been there 20 years.

Like I said, multiply Obama by 100x...

On the remaining points, I'm not claiming Obama was great on these issues. My only claim is that if you think Obama even remotely compares to Bush in terms of the amount of destructive policy the two brought about, you lack a sense of scale and perspective.

1. https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/p...

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American-led_intervention_in_t...

3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War#2003:_Invasion

Meanwhile, the parent poster was talking about not wanting to move to the US, and this isn't much of a contradictory statement on those lines.

The fact remains that millions of people are screaming holy hell about things "Trump does" that they were silent about 4 years ago when Obama did them.

Some people screamed about it. And, for better or worse, right and wrong are not measured by the number of people screaming about something :).

Yet millions of people love what Trump does. And the celebrities that pledged to leave USA if he got elected somehow didn't follow on their promises. The real problem is that the country is polarized now, and neither side will accept the result of election - any result. And who is responsible for this polarization? Democrats and their affiliated media are. They are the ones who couldn't respect Trump's presidency and preferred to destroy the social fabric to get the power back.

She was convicted at a military trial. Obama commuted her sentence.

But no pardon

The media hates this one and millions/millions do too because they can't think for themselves. They just plug their heads into the media of their choice Fox News, CNN and MSNBC and get fired up while they make millions/billions.

Further even Pelosi in her speech today wasn't having any of the media's crap where she basically says we are working together on this no need to make it anymore then that. Good one Pelosi.

Also is there a guide to follow on how to deal with the coronavirus?