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Re:US admits 'failing' on testing, says Fauci by ajross on Thursday March 12, 2020 @01:26PM (#22559298)
At what point does it become OK to point out that the "orange man" is, in fact, bad? Fox news and republican leaders spent weeks (weeks that we can't get back) trying to tell people that this wasn't a problem, that they shouldn't prepare, and that this was all a partisan argument against the president. And that was all wrong. It's real, it's happening, and we've lost critical time.

That's bad, right? And it's bad in a distinctly partisan way, because the "other side" didn't say or do that stuff, and was broadly correct in its pronouncements. Can we say that? When can we say that? Or is any amount of wrongdoing or incompetence allowed as long as you get a whole political party to do it at once?

Re:US admits 'failing' on testing, says Fauci by jfengel on Thursday March 12, 2020 @01:33PM (#22559392)
Especially since the article isn't about him. It mentions him twice, once citing the travel ban, another time quoting him as saying that we have good testing infrastructure (but noting that he did not elaborate). It does not describe him as "bad" or say anything directly negative. The article is about a high-level bureaucrat who says only "we".

The OP's comment is, unfortunately, indicative. The OP reads it as negative, and the reality is negative, but his primary concern is about the assignment of blame. In particular, assuring that it does not fall on him, and trying to shift it anywhere else. Meantime, the person actually cited in the article is trying to get something done -- which starts by admitting the there is a thing that needs to be done.

Re:US admits 'failing' on testing, says Fauci by MisterBastahrd on Thursday March 12, 2020 @02:00PM (#22559732)
The idea is that anything that any article that does not go out of its way to praise him must be negative by definition, because that's how his mind works. The US's response to this current situation is a direct response by Trump to how he is being perceived.
Re:US admits 'failing' on testing, says Fauci by doubleunplussed on Thursday March 12, 2020 @01:42PM (#22559495)
Orange man is bad, but a stopped clock is right twice a day, and falling over themselves to deny whenever that happens has led the media to say all manner of braindead things.
Re:US admits 'failing' on testing, says Fauci by ceejayoz on Thursday March 12, 2020 @02:09PM (#22559829)
> a stopped clock is right twice a day

Without another working clock, that's still not super useful, as you can't figure out when it's right.

Re:US admits 'failing' on testing, says Fauci by ajross on Thursday March 12, 2020 @02:39PM (#22560184)
Or maybe... (to strain the metaphor a bit) the clock has been working the whole time, but you didn't care because you didn't need to know the time?

I mean... the topic at hand in this subthread is the executive branch's ability to coordinate a single message, to tell the truth, and to ensure that public policy matches official pronouncements. And this has been a serious problem for the Trump administration since inauguration. The president will say things that are wrong, he'll mistate positions of others, he'll promise things that aren't borne out by policy, he'll contradict existing white house messaging, and the rest of the executive branch is constantly running around writing up explainers for how all of this is supposed to fit together.

And the media reported on that. But to you, maybe it just seemed like the president was speaking extemporaneously and that the media coverage was being excessively "nitpicky". What other people would call "lies" or "mistruths" seemed to you like just mistakes or irrelevancies. So to you, the media wasn't being fair.

Well, now the world is falling apart and the president's words matter. And the lies seem more like lies to most people. That's not because the media is treating them any different.

Re:US admits 'failing' on testing, says Fauci by doubleunplussed on Thursday March 12, 2020 @02:44PM (#22560248)
I don't think trump has said a single sensible thing about the pandemic, I'm not on his side. Im talking in general.
Re:US admits 'failing' on testing, says Fauci by Ir738urbb on Thursday March 12, 2020 @01:47PM (#22559586)
Guess what? They're all bad! Incompetence, perverse incentives, misinformation, exploitation: we're surrounded by it.

On Hacker News I expect a technical discussion and shared files how to build PCR kits at home to test for the virus. I want to see people sharing biohacks. Not this meaningless useless byllshit.