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Re:U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days by KarlKemp on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @10:33PM (#22553059)
OP's point wasn't "this is only going to have very limited effect", to which your reply "better than nothing" would be appropriate.

Their point is that there's absolutely no effect of banning travel between two areas with similar prevalence, based on rather simple logic.

Take two bags with mostly white and a similar number of red balls in them. Then, twenty times, grab one hand from each bag and empty it in the other. What's the expected change in number of red balls?

Re:U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days by Retric on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @10:49PM (#22553174)
First infections are not uniformly distributed. Second, by the nature of travel people get into close contact with more and more importantly different people than usual. 200 people sitting in an aircraft for 2 hours is inherently more risky than 200 people sitting in a theater for 2 hours as aircraft mix people from wider geographic areas. So, regardless of infection rates, this is beneficial for both Europe and the US at the same time.

Multiple cities with hundreds of thousands of people in both the US and Europe are infection free right now. Extending that for even a few weeks is very useful.

Re:U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days by rsj_hn on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @10:45PM (#22553142)
This is false. Any reduction in travel is going to have a positive effect. The best situation is for people to reduce their exposure to other people and to stay at home. If they do need to be exposed to others, the best is for them to be exposed to the same set of people all the time, and not to different sets of people.
Re:U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days by bratawurst on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @11:08PM (#22553303)
This seems not fully worked out. Assuming total travel is constrained, selectively limiting travel to particular areas concentrates travel in the remaining areas, which increases the average number of contacts between travelers, which violates your “reducing exposure to other people is best” rule of thumb.

By your model, some reductions in travel ought to have a negative effect. Is that a fair corollary?

Re:U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days by simonh on Thursday March 12, 2020 @12:27AM (#22553772)
There’s no such thing as a fixed amount of travel, and constraining it on one way concentrates it in another. That makes no sense. Constraining travel will reduce travel, which will reduce interactions between people, which will reduce the spread of the virus. We know this empirically from previous outbreaks and countermeasures.
Re:U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days by jddj on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @11:22PM (#22553389)
The pressure / desire to travel is also dropping sharply, though.

Limiting all Schengen traffic is an extreme example, but it's not obvious that some level of restriction would necessarily produce a significant bottleneck effect (given that citizens are exempt).

Re:U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days by dave_b on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @11:47PM (#22553532)
Why would you assume total travel is constrained? Restricting travel from Europe to US will just eliminate that portion of travel, not concentrate it in the US.
Re:U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days by T-hawk on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @10:42PM (#22553123)
There is an effect, because traveling itself creates chances for exposure. Anyone traveling on an airplane or train in close quarters, or passing through an airport or transit facility, can pick up or pass on an infection.

By your last analogy, the red balls would have paint rubbed off them in the exchanges.

Re:U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days by CydeWeys on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @10:49PM (#22553178)
Yes, but then we should be canceling all flights in the US (we should be). Only canceling flights to Europe is a tiny fraction of what's actually necessary here.
Re:U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days by simonh on Thursday March 12, 2020 @12:31AM (#22553785)
It’s a matter of timing. Europe has higher concentrations of the virus than the US. The chances that a plane from Europe contains an infected individual are getting quite high.

When the concentrations in the US get higher it will start to make sense to constrain travel more over there. Right now the chances a domestic flight contains an infected individual is quite low, but that won’t always be the case.

Bear in mind the virus cannot be stopped, or contained at this point. All we can do is slow it down while also limiting the harm our countermeasures cause.

Re:U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days by chimprich on Thursday March 12, 2020 @04:11AM (#22554758)
It's not clear the US does have fewer proportions of actual cases, just fewer tested ones.

Saying the virus cannot be stopped seems defeatist. China seems to have managed it locally, albeit with some very aggressive measures.

Re:U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days by simonh on Thursday March 12, 2020 @05:02AM (#22554990)
It’s only a matter of time before it starts over there again, even if through back-propagation from other countries. Everyone’s talking as though China solved the problem. Incredible.
Re:U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days by chimprich on Thursday March 12, 2020 @07:04AM (#22555521)
They don't need to solve the problem, just keep the infection rate slow enough to be controlled medically. And then keep everything locked down enough until we can get a vaccine produced. Admittedly, a gargantuan task, and I don't think it's going to happen anywhere else.
Re:U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days by SamReidHughes on Thursday March 12, 2020 @09:33AM (#22556617)
They don't need to do that either, they could just let more people die.

That's what you're proposing, if you don't realize it. If you get the growth rate below 1, you can wipe out the disease, instead of merely delaying it.

Re:U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days by hnick on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @10:50PM (#22553182)
Apart from the other two replies, the corollary of your point is that travel from a lower incidence area to a higher incidence area actually reduces the risk in the latter.

But this is clearly false because population density is another important factor for contact between people.