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Re:Google recommends all North America employees work from home by grumple on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @10:22PM (#22542340)
Yeah? Name a product to come out of FB or Google in the past 5 years that has been a major financial success - and acquisitions (like IG, Oculus) don't count. Name anything that has fundamentally changed about those companies in that time.
Re:Google recommends all North America employees work from home by yibg on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @10:59PM (#22542542)
That's a weird bar to set. Why does productivity depend on net new products? Why can't companies with cash cows spend effort on figuring out how to grow that cash cow and boost their revenue that way instead?
Re:Google recommends all North America employees work from home by ericmay on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @10:17AM (#22546020)
Is it? I can name other companies that have released successful new products.

If you're just aqui-hiring or buying successful products what does that say about your internal culture? Are you super focused on only your primary product, or are the people you've hired kind of not "new product" innovative?

I guess a lot of people think Google/FB == innovation, and they are without a doubt highly innovative, but when it comes to products I'm not really sure that they are. I think most of their innovation comes from improving what they currently do, not really expanding into new markets or with new products.

Maybe I'm wrong? What do you think?

Re:Google recommends all North America employees work from home by yibg on Thursday March 12, 2020 @01:12AM (#22553979)
Well, maybe? I guess a couple of things:

1) Innovation doesn't have to be in creating new products, and can very well be in incremental improvements to existing products.

2) "new products" also doesn't need to be externally visible. There could be lots of innovation but just for things that aren't visible to customers.

Netflix hasn't come out with a new product since streaming started. But there are definitely a lot of new things that are built that are at least arguably innovative.

Re:Google recommends all North America employees work from home by davidwihl on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @11:17PM (#22542639)
Google Cloud has $10b / year of revenue and hardly existed five years ago.
Re:Google recommends all North America employees work from home by scarface74 on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @09:56AM (#22545851)
Is it profitable? Revenue means nothing without profitability.
Re:Google recommends all North America employees work from home by CydeWeys on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @11:13PM (#22542614)
What does it matter when advertising revenue has more than doubled in that short time period? If you're good at one insanely profitable thing and you're making money out the wazoo with it, who cares?
Re:Google recommends all North America employees work from home by samtheprogram on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @10:30PM (#22542384)
For Google, the Pixel phones?
Re:Google recommends all North America employees work from home by adrianmonk on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @02:18AM (#22543511)
That doesn't entirely get by the acquisition test. Google acquired the HTC smartphone design team for $1.1 billion.

See https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/30/16949366/google-htc-smart...

Re:Google recommends all North America employees work from home by Guidii on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @06:38AM (#22544631)
The first Pixel phone was released in 2016. Your linked article is dated 2018.
Re:Google recommends all North America employees work from home by adrianmonk on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @03:04PM (#22549202)
It does also say: "Google worked with a subset of its new HTC hires on a contract basis for the Pixel and Pixel 2".

This suggests they at least partially outsourced the work initially and then acqui-hired their way into in-housing it.

Though, yes, it is possible that some of it was done in-house from the beginning. Just because they leaned on external resources to some extent doesn't mean they developed no internal capability on their own.

Re:Google recommends all North America employees work from home by lern_too_spel on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @11:12PM (#22542610)
The requirement was financial success, not money pit.
Re:Google recommends all North America employees work from home by joshuamorton on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @02:17AM (#22543505)
Name a billion dollar company that was income positive 5 years after it was founded.
Re:Google recommends all North America employees work from home by scarface74 on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @09:58AM (#22545868)
If I remember correctly, FB was profitable within 5 or 6 years of its founding.
Re:Google recommends all North America employees work from home by saghm on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @01:55AM (#22543388)
Why five years? I'm pretty sure both of those companies had offices before then
Re:Google recommends all North America employees work from home by grumple on Friday March 13, 2020 @10:10PM (#22572580)
You're welcome to go back further, but it's mostly commentary on the current state of those companies. Google / FB / others have become significantly less innovative as time has proceeded. They are almost entirely driven by their core product (with little changes, despite comments suggesting incremental innovation - not enough to justify thousands of devs) and acquisitions. Others, like Apple and Microsoft, seem to be more willing to innovate internally.
Re:Google recommends all North America employees work from home by tehlike on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @10:24PM (#22542351)
Plenty of $ positive launches happen that way.
Re:Google recommends all North America employees work from home by formercoder on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @10:45PM (#22542463)
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