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Re:Saturn's largest moon may be the only place beyond Earth ... by palisade on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @02:09PM (#22537903)
A floating habitat on Venus is actually more attractive. Venus (upper atmosphere): -human livable temperatures with modest temperature control -Earth-like pressure (Himalayans) leads to slow leaks that can be patched, and pressure can be increased inside to stop the leaks inward -protected by thick atmosphere from radiation, meteors, asteroids -strong magnetic field against radiation -atmosphere still thin enough for solar panel energy use -the sulfuric acid atmosphere requires a Teflon coating and/or mixing Teflon particles with the metals during fabrication -the escape velocity from the upper atmosphere is low and requires a small rocket and not much fuel, leaving more fuel for return trips -distance between Earth and Venus is 3 months, versus 6 months to a 1 year depending on the window of opportunity.. that means you can rescue crews faster, get them supplies quicker, and replace crew sooner on Venus -oxygen on Venus has a strong lifting power, you can float entire heavy concrete and steel cities on massive platforms, think cloud city from Star Wars(tm) -aerodynamics work similarly to Earth; airships (dirigibles), airplanes, drones are all possible here Concept mission to Venus compliments of NASA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0az7DEwG68A

Mars: -inhospitable temperatures not suitable for human or plant life -explosive decompression due to a micro-meteorite causing a hole -no atmosphere to protect against radiation or projectiles -weak magnetic field providing no protection -violent unpredictable wind storms on the surface -unbreathable atmosphere -the escape velocity from Mars requires a massive rocket equivalent to the one we use to leave Earth and therefore more fuel leaving less payload for delivering other resources or supplies -the distance is 6 months to 1 year depending on the window of opportunity, leading to some NASA scientists to suggest we should find it acceptable that it as a suicide mission with no hope of return

Rotating space station: -high risk from impacts -no atmosphere to protect against radiation or projectiles -no magnetic field providing no protection -danger from space debris from previous missions -no surrounding breathable atmosphere -close distance makes resupplying and re-crewing more tenable -requires constant fuel and attention to not de-orbit -does not establish a permanent residence -not a base of significant distance for further operations to the rest of the solar system

Re:Saturn's largest moon may be the only place beyond Earth ... by AnimalMuppet on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @02:52PM (#22538327)
> the escape velocity from Mars requires a massive rocket equivalent to the one we use to leave Earth and therefore more fuel leaving less payload for delivering other resources or supplies

Wait, what? Isn't escape velocity from Mars lower than that from Venus? The surface gravity is far lower on Mars.

I also note that you list "no surrounding breathable atmosphere" as a negative for a rotating space station, but the surrounding atmosphere on Venus isn't exactly breathable either...

Re:Saturn's largest moon may be the only place beyond Earth ... by palisade on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @04:08PM (#22539127)
Re:Saturn's largest moon may be the only place beyond Earth ... by scrumbledober on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @03:17PM (#22538601)
i'm not sure how the math works out but you would be launching from a much much higher altitude than ground level on venus, whereas on mars you would be launching from roughly ground level.
Re:Saturn's largest moon may be the only place beyond Earth ... by xref on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @02:41PM (#22538217)
I’d throw in if a rotating station is still in LEO (seems likely for a first attempt) it would have the benefit of Earth’s magnetic field for shielding. Not if used for traveling to another body though.
Re:Saturn's largest moon may be the only place beyond Earth ... by LargoLasskhyfv on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @07:20PM (#22541059)
Like presumably "the Ancients" did? https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/f5s2f4/the_unus...

Starting at about 8M55S he decribes some interesting aspects of the so called two day orbit.

Anyways, it is OUTSIDE the magnetic field. But would it really matter if you have the technology to build a space station big enough to have rotational gravity? I'd imagine we'd cover that with regolith mass driven from the moon, or something like that.

Re:Saturn's largest moon may be the only place beyond Earth ... by ggffryuuj on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @02:40PM (#22538205)
Literally everything you said is wrong except projectiles and space stations. Magnetic fields are easy to make. Wind storms and unbreathable air and radiation and projectiles don’t matter if you’re underground. The idea that a floating city is better than a city cemented in soil is laughable. Good luck maintaining that Teflon coating on literally every exterior surface.