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Re:Sucralose with carbohydrates may blunt the body’s ability... by orev on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @11:25AM (#22536217)
It is. Everyone knows that the real solution to all these health problems is “eat right and exercise”, but there’s clearly a huge market of people looking for a “magic pill” to solve their problems instead of doing that.

Snake oil has been around as long as humanity itself, so you might as well do some studies on it since so many people will be using it.

Re:Sucralose with carbohydrates may blunt the body’s ability... by meroes on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @01:39PM (#22537560)
That is true for so many diseases, like anything related to obesity, diet, exercise and smoking. Doctors are too ready to prescribe pills instead of an exercise regimen or diet.

I wonder if doing studies on specific exercise regimes and diets would give doctors more confidence to prescribe them as cures. The problem is there is so much less money to be made for a certain industry.

Re:Sucralose with carbohydrates may blunt the body’s ability... by blacksmith_tb on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @02:33PM (#22538124)
There's that, and there's also compliance - if your doctor tells you you should become a vegan ultramarathoner, chances are you will probably not comply; if they tell you to take two pills every morning, you may still not, but the chances are at least better (even if the improvement is also less significant).
Re:Sucralose with carbohydrates may blunt the body’s ability... by orev on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @05:26PM (#22539889)
Doctors (in the US) run a business, and you’re not likely to get repeat customers if you tell them they need to lose weight, because they will take it personally and go find someone else who will prescribe a magic pill. Many doctors might mention it offhand, but if they really harp on it they will lose the patient to someone else.

It’s not a good situation, but it is the reality.

Re:Sucralose with carbohydrates may blunt the body’s ability... by lostmsu on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @04:27PM (#22539334)
Exercise part of that solution is much more expensive than almost any pills (if they'd exist). 2h exercise a week at Valley tech salaries ($150/h) might cost you ~$15000 in time per year.

Another way to look at it is in 40 years it will consume two entire years of working full-time.

And that does not include cost to go to gym like transportation time, change of clothes, etc

Re:Sucralose with carbohydrates may blunt the body’s ability... by orev on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @05:37PM (#22540013)
There are so many things wrong with this perspective I’m not sure where to start. Overall it sounds very much like the climate change deniers’ arguments — who cares if we all die, as long as we make some money beforehand.

You can not compare Si Valley salaries to anything, since they are irrelevant. The salary may be high, but so is the cost of living there, so it’s basically a wash. And Si Valley is not the center of the world, so comparisons to the relatively few people who live there are meaningless.

Who cares if it consumes 2 years working time if you die 10 years earlier than you would have. Also exercise gives you many health benefits, including cognitive function, so you will be more healthy and more productive when you actually are working.

Cost to go to the gym?! You can exercise at literally 0 cost. Do some push ups, go outside for a run, etc.

Re:Sucralose with carbohydrates may blunt the body’s ability... by lostmsu on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @01:49AM (#22543362)
> Who cares if it consumes 2 years working time if you die 10 years earlier than you would have.

Your 10 years number is significantly overblown. First result in Google is:

> they found that those who did 75 minutes of moderate-intensity activity weekly lived 1.8 years longer, on average, compared with people who did no physical activity

If you believe that, it puts it into 1.25 (no exercise) vs 1.8 years, which still does not include any preparations.

Re:Sucralose with carbohydrates may blunt the body’s ability... by orev on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @11:31AM (#22546639)
Death is an awful yardstick to measure anything other than truly fatal conditions. Exercise can be the difference between spending 50 years with major health problems, joint and back pain, diabetes, etc vs spending them pain free and being able to enjoy life.
Re:Sucralose with carbohydrates may blunt the body’s ability... by anthonypasq on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @05:35PM (#22539986)
this is all positively ridiculous.

Do you calculate all your other hobbies like this? You probably have "spent" millions playing video games

Re:Sucralose with carbohydrates may blunt the body’s ability... by lostmsu on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @01:35AM (#22543272)
Perhaps to some people it might be ridiculous.

This, however, is not applicable to hobbies. Hobbies are what one tries to save time for. If for you gym is a hobby, you should not be doing the above calculation.

Re:Sucralose with carbohydrates may blunt the body’s ability... by hnick on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @07:38PM (#22541239)
This one easy trick will save you $150! Just stay up an hour after bedtime ;)

I got in the habit of doing this kind of calculation early in my career before realising it is a) pointless unless someone will actually pay you that money if you instead do work, and b) still not a healthy way to think anyway in many cases where a) is true, due to life's necessities.

It might be "cheaper" to pay a kid to mow the lawn but sometimes I find it relaxing.

Re:Sucralose with carbohydrates may blunt the body’s ability... by neuralRiot on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @04:28PM (#22550119)
Exercise can be done without gym or special equipment. Healthy food does not mean Vegan-gluten free-paleo-ethically grown, it means balanced eating and minimally processed, the only extra thing it costs is convenience.