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Re:Saturn's largest moon may be the only place beyond Earth ... by TheOtherHobbes on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @10:45AM (#22535858)
Unless you're planning to build a literal castle in the sky out of convenient gasses, this is completely unworkable.

Even at that altitude the cloud layer is still very turbulent and very toxic, and no structure will be absolutely gas-tight. And if the temperature is 75 °C outside, it's going to take insane amounts of energy to keep the inside of your hab cool - especially if it's made of metal and not rock. (A thin skin obviously isn't going to work.)

You can't mine Venus, and you can't explore the surface. All you can do is drift over the cloud layer.

So there's no point - except maybe niche tourism, niche planetary science, and possibly niche super-weapons research.

And after all that, you still have the problem of moving mass to/from your colony. 30-odd miles gives you a bit of an energy boost, but getting out the gravity well still isn't cheap or easy.

Re:Saturn's largest moon may be the only place beyond Earth ... by jccooper on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @12:53PM (#22537120)
There are perhaps ways to mine Venus surface materials; something like dredging. Dedicated development of high-temp computing may also make longer-term robotic operations possible. None of that's particularly convenient, of course, and I can't imagine why you'd want to do it. But one can say that about every other extra-terrestrial option, too.
Re:Saturn's largest moon may be the only place beyond Earth ... by CydeWeys on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @12:59PM (#22537169)
You would need a 50km long dredge. That seems completely unworkable; that's much longer than the deepest of deep mining operations we have here on Earth, and we aren't nearly as constrained on Earth as you would be on Venus. How would you even get such a thing to Venus? The only realistic way to do so would be to construct it of local materials, but now we have a chicken-and-egg problem.

Plus, keep in mind that a lot of the materials you would use for such a dredge on Earth won't work on Venus, because the atmosphere will corrode them.

Re:Saturn's largest moon may be the only place beyond Earth ... by svaigsq on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @01:39PM (#22537559)
It is probably a typo, but Mars doesn't have enough atmosphere to corrode things more than on Earth.

If you need 50km long dredge, then it is a viable project in future, just like now it is with space elevator. Apparently that type of dredge will be needed to extract materials from gas planets(and 50km might not be enough), so that dredge will have to be developed anyway.

The most logical solution to make habitable world would be to bombard Venus with comets and small planets. They all have enough materials to stabilize Venus atmosphere and teraform it and also calculated bombarding can cause Venus to change axis and rotation.

Re:Saturn's largest moon may be the only place beyond Earth ... by CydeWeys on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @02:36PM (#22538162)
This is very far-future stuff though. In contrast, we can colonize Mars and Titan with today's level of technology (Mars more easily more likely, because it's closer).
Re:Saturn's largest moon may be the only place beyond Earth ... by jacobush on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @05:08AM (#22544271)
I don't know... you'd need to maintain an over pressure in the living quarters and tiny leaks won't be much of an issue. Lift can be provided by hydrogen blimps, until you get to a balmy 20 C (70 F).

That would help both bleeding off heat and helping with maintaining over-pressure in the living quarters.

Corrosion resistance will be a challenge but not impossible, there are many plastics which will withstand sulfuric acid.

Re:Saturn's largest moon may be the only place beyond Earth ... by thebiglebrewski on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @02:36PM (#22538163)
"Come TheOtherHobbes, you belong here with us, among the clouds..."

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