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Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by jiggawatts on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @12:05AM (#22532637)
I fixed the formatting, typos, and expanded the jargon:

From a well respected friend and intensivist/A&E consultant who is currently in northern Italy:

I feel the pressure to give you a quick personal update about what is happening in Italy, and also give some quick direct advice about what you should do.

First, Lumbardy is the most developed region in Italy and it has a extraordinary good healthcare, I have worked in Italy, UK and Australia and don't make the mistake to think that what is happening here is happening in a 3rd world country. The current situation is difficult to imagine, and numbers do not explain things at all. Our hospitals are overwhelmed by COVID-19, they are running 200% capacity.

We've stopped all routine, all Operating Rooms have been converted to Intensive Care Rooms and they are now diverting or not treating all other emergencies like trauma or stroke. There are hundreds of patients with severe respiratory failure and many of them do not have access to anything above an oyxgen mask.

Patients above 65, or younger patients with comorbidities, are not even assessed by Intensive Care. I am not saying not tubed, I'm saying not assessed and no staff attends to them when they arrest. Staff are working as much as they can, but they are starting to get sick themselves and are emotionally overwhelmed.

My friends call me in tears, because they see people dying in front of them and they can only offer some oxygen. Ortho and pathologists are being given a leaflet and sent to see patients on ventillation. PLEASE STOP, READ THIS AGAIN AND THINK.

We have seen the same pattern in different areas a week apart, and there is no reason that in a few weeks it won't be the same everywhere, this is the pattern:

1) A few positive cases, first mild measures, people are told to avoid the Emergency Department. People still hang out in groups, everyone says not to panic.

2) Some moderate respiratory failures and a few severe ones that need intubation, but regular access to Emergency Departments is significantly reduced so everything looks great.

3) Tons of patients with moderate respiratory failure, that over time deteriorate to saturate intensive care first, then intubation equipment, then CPAP hoods, then even O2 masks.

4) Staff gets sick, so it gets difficult to cover for shifts, mortality spikes from all the other causes that can't be treated properly.

Everything about how to treat them is online but the only things that will make a difference are: do not be afraid of massively strict measures to keep people safe. If the governments won't do this at least keep your family safe: your loved ones with a history of cancer or diabetes or any transplant will not be tubed if they need it even if they are young. By safe I mean YOU do not attend them and YOU decide who does and YOU teach them how to. Another typical attitude is read and listen to people saying things like this and think "that's bad dude" and then go out for dinner because you think you'll be safe.

We have seen it, you won't be safe if you don't take it seriously. I really hope it won't be as bad as here but prepare.

Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by winrid on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @04:32AM (#22533740)
Thanks.

What does tubed mean here?

Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by DoingIsLearning on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @04:43AM (#22533802)
I assume it meant 'intubated', in the context it would probably mean to be put on mechanical ventilation?
Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by abdulhaq on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @04:45AM (#22533811)
Intubated for ventilation
Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by koalala on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @05:46AM (#22534079)
Intubated, so put on a ventilator, apparently.
Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by hef19898 on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @04:18AM (#22533676)
Did you also fix the uncoroborated nature of the news? You know, the "well respected friend" part of it by reaching out to said person? If not, this whole thing just shows again how dangerous Twitter can be in that regard.
Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by akie on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @05:16AM (#22533946)
Why are you denying the spread and severe impact of this virus? Do you think they quarantined the whole fucking country for fun?
Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by hef19898 on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @05:24AM (#22533989)
I am not denying that. I am simply worried when I see alarmist posts, uncorborated, that have the tendency to spread panic.

That's why call out every twitter thread like that when I come accross them. In this case it was a guy you referenced a friend of his. So uncorborated. Bad reporting, plain and simple.

Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by akie on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @06:13AM (#22534204)
What you are doing is very dangerous. People need to be aware of what is about to hit them so that they can prepare. Calling into question second-hand reports as "unreliable", even though this particular twitter thread is completely unremarkable and in line with many other reports, makes people wonder if this whole Corona thing is nothing more than hot air. It's just super irresponsible to give people that impression.
Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by hef19898 on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @06:19AM (#22534224)
News is basically just about Coronavirus by now, whether it is print, online, TV, radio... People are aware, unless you are living in a bunker since last smmer, in which case you would be safe anyway.

If people refuse to take it seriously, no amount of reporting will change these individuals behaviour. What it does so, is causing overreaction of others which can have kind of side effects. Ranging from funny to plain dangerous.

Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by akie on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @06:26AM (#22534264)
Did you read what was in the original Twitter thread? Hospitals at 200%, people who need intensive care that aren't even looked at, staff who get sick and are otherwise completely overworked...

I'm not sure if you can overreact to that, to be honest.

But people in countries that aren't at that stage yet think it won't be so bad there. Because it's all fake and second-hand information, not well sourced, and therefore probably not true and so we shouldn't overreact. Wrong! You should take precautions now, while you still can.

Because what is described in the thread fits completely with an exponentially growing disease that everyone seemingly gets at once and thus completely overwhelms the hospitals. You shouldn't try to shush people who point that out.

Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by arbitrary_name on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @12:13PM (#22536696)
You can absolutely overreact to that. People will get sick and die, yes, but it's also not worth sitting down make parts of the economy and falling into panic.

This will get much worse, but it's still worth maintaining some perspective.

Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by BlargMcLarg on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @04:30PM (#22539361)
If what the accounts say so far is true, most people aren't ready to accept what maintaining some perspective means or lack some serious virtue.

Even if you yourself aren't vulnerable, you're potentially screwing up people's lives. Not just vulnerable elders, but also doctors who, for better or worse, are unconsciously taken advantage of by requesting them to overwork themselves in poor conditions. The alternatives to not having them overwork are coordinated efforts (which increases contamination, and requires serious coordination that hasn't been shown in Italy yet if the stories are to be believed) or simply leaving people to die. How many people do you think truly understand the consequence of their actions and would willingly continue to do so with full knowledge?

And for what? Some abstract concept called "economy" that 90%* likely won't feel a thing of? Isn't it at least a little ironic that we aren't allowed to panic about corona, but are allowed to panic about anything potentially affecting the economy 'negatively', which just as many people don't know anything about, including tons of self-proclaimed experts?

* Disclaimer: This statistic is indeed picked randomly.

Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by asdfman123 on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @10:11AM (#22535568)
What's dangerous is our government is severely downplaying it and undertesting to make the numbers look good, and we have to rely on social media to find the truth.

I feel like a wingnut even writing that. My opinion would change except lots of health experts and all the smartest people I've talked to on this seem to agree.