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Re:Trial of programmer accused in CIA leak ends in hung jury by meowface on Monday March 09, 2020 @06:15PM (#22530466)
Would I be surprised some people in the CIA would want to do such a thing? No.

Would I be surprised they'd do something so stupid as to plant child pornography on a suspect's computer and ruin their already pretty soiled reputation to such an extent that all future prosecutions of whistleblowers and leakers will come under heavy doubt, in addition to their ethics around abused children, and that this would be signed off by the top leadership and accepted organizationally? Kind of.

Re:Trial of programmer accused in CIA leak ends in hung jury by bilekas on Monday March 09, 2020 @07:35PM (#22531116)
Why not? They claim end-to-encryption is protecting pedophiles... And it's their selling point. That trench of absolute human shit is their marketing. - For impact, they need to sell it over the value of e2e for the citizen.

Planting that shit seems a perfect candidate to get a no questions asked lock up. And lets be honest, if its true, we would all burn his balls attached to him and than let him go to prison.

But I agree with other posters, he is capable enough to clean his leaking, but not his kiddie shit ? Also he was never recognised for the kiddie stuff before ? My tinfoil hat is not on, but its in that region.

Re:Trial of programmer accused in CIA leak ends in hung jury by meowface on Monday March 09, 2020 @07:54PM (#22531273)
>But I agree with other posters, he is capable enough to clean his leaking, but not his kiddie shit ?

As I wrote in my post, he wasn't capable enough to clean up a lot of his leaking. They found various kinds of evidence. A lot of it was covered up, but a lot wasn't.

>Also he was never recognised for the kiddie stuff before ?

I would bet the majority of people who download child pornography probably never end up getting on anyone's radar. Or at least a large percentage don't.

>Why not? They claim end-to-encryption is protecting pedophiles... And it's their selling point. That trench of absolute human shit is their marketing. - For impact, they need to sell it over the value of e2e for the citizen.

Sure, I don't like that one bit, but it's a huge leap to go from that to planting child pornography evidence on a suspect's computer. Many people do legitimately believe encryption is a net negative and enables criminals like pedophiles and terrorists. I don't agree with them, but this is a belief people have. On the other hand, there is no belief or rationale that could ever justify planting child pornography on someone's computer.

Are you suggesting that this is a double-layered conspiracy - not only a way to get a leaker convicted, but also a way to make those who use encryption seem like pedophiles? If so, you're going to need to provide even more evidence than if you were just posing the first claim. I could think of like four more layers of conspiracy theories I could pile on top of that, but they're also meaningless without evidence. I could spin your comment as you being part of a conspiracy theory to protect pedophiles; also meaningless.

>Planting that shit seems a perfect candidate to get a no questions asked lock up. And lets be honest, if its true, we would all burn his balls attached to him and than let him go to prison.

Sure, that'd be one of the best ways to secure a conviction if you're trying to think of what sort of evidence to plant, but I don't see how it relates to your other points or to the likelihood of it being true. Conspiring to crash planes into financial and government buildings on 9/11 would be one of the best ways to start a war in the Middle East if you're trying to think of some casus belli, but that doesn't mean that's what actually happened.

I would recommend reading the documents. Yes, some are long, but they're much more informative than completely blind speculation from HN commenters going off of nothing but a thread title.

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Re:Trial of programmer accused in CIA leak ends in hung jury by meowface on Monday March 09, 2020 @09:17PM (#22531807)
Yes, obviously that would be the motive. But what does it have to do with governmental stances on encryption?
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Re:Trial of programmer accused in CIA leak ends in hung jury by meowface on Monday March 09, 2020 @09:15PM (#22531789)
>well let me discard all facts then.

Where are your facts? You're betting, too. CIA/FBI don't and couldn't possibly monitor what every single employee does when they're not at work, especially when they're taking anonymization precautions. There's probably more than one person working at such a place right now who's in possession of CP and who will live and die without ever being found out by anyone. It's just a numbers game.

>I refer to the above. You don't like it ? Bullshit, you're defending it.

I have no idea what you're trying to say. I'm a huge proponent of end-to-end encryption, and against any attempts by governments to backdoor it. It still has absolutely no relation to this particular topic.

Re:Trial of programmer accused in CIA leak ends in hung jury by strbean on Monday March 09, 2020 @06:36PM (#22530655)
At what point to you revert from "their reputation is already so terrible they wouldn't sully it more" to "we should really just assume the worst 100% of the time"?
Re:Trial of programmer accused in CIA leak ends in hung jury by meowface on Monday March 09, 2020 @07:34PM (#22531106)
I would say the public exposure of a truly shocking and confirmed scandal that took place within the past 10 - 20 years and which goes all the way to the top of the organization. Especially if a lot of people are in the know.

Something along the lines of MKULTRA or COINTELPRO. (I would argue that even in the era where those programs were rampant, planting child pornography would still seem unlikely. Though certainly a lot more likely.)

Re:Trial of programmer accused in CIA leak ends in hung jury by Nasrudith on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @08:37AM (#22534858)
Have you seen how many times they failed to assassinate Fidel Castro? Stupid is as stupid does and the CIA are the greatest idiots of all times. Not even their foes could dream of creating a quagmire that destroyed public acceptance of the draft and created so many disabled veterans that it lead to the ADA after two world wars with antibiotics boosting survival rates of previously mortal injuries.