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Re:Quarantine will normalize WFH and recession will denormal... by HumblyTossed on Sunday March 08, 2020 @07:35PM (#22521476)
> I never understood why healthcare was tied to employment.

Because the people who keep it that way are the same people you hear say dumb crap like, "I don't want to pay for someone else's healthcare (ignoring the fact that that is the definition of insurance!)" when anyone brings up changing the way healthcare is run in the US of A.

They think only people who work deserve healthcare.

Re:Quarantine will normalize WFH and recession will denormal... by macintux on Sunday March 08, 2020 @08:34PM (#22521822)
I suspect there's also resistance at the corporate level. Employee retention is easier when life itself is effectively conditional on employment.

You can save up enough money to pay the bills for a few months, but you effectively can't save up enough money to cover your own health care costs without some sort of insurance.

Re:Quarantine will normalize WFH and recession will denormal... by orangecat on Sunday March 08, 2020 @11:36PM (#22522781)
Employee retention is easier when life itself is effectively conditional on employment.

On the other hand, companies also spend significant resources being health insurance brokers. Getting rid of that burden would be particularly helpful for small businesses and startups.

Re:Quarantine will normalize WFH and recession will denormal... by macintux on Monday March 09, 2020 @12:34AM (#22523021)
I agree, and I initially assumed that would be a more widespread attitude within the corporate world. I later found out about the retention motivation.
Re:Quarantine will normalize WFH and recession will denormal... by Frost1x on Sunday March 08, 2020 @09:50PM (#22522213)
This is absolutely critical. Giving the workforce reasonably attainable healthcare decoupled from employer would increase job mobility significantly. This is a win for labor and a loss for capital owners.

I would be far more willing to risk assets I had if I knew I'd still have basic necessities in life. You know, the luxuries the very wealthy have...

Re:Quarantine will normalize WFH and recession will denormal... by throwawayjava on Sunday March 08, 2020 @10:46PM (#22522503)
Based on issue polling, we know that a majority of people who are opposed to the individual mandate also strongly support a ban on pre-existing conditions clauses. And also those same people oppose any form of universal healthcare.

But abstaining from health insurance right up until the point where you need it is the same as having other people pay for your healthcare. A ban on pre-existing conditions without an individual mandate is a form of welfare. So in actual practice many people who are nominally opposed to universally subsidized HC are in fact not opposed to universal subsidization of healthcare... as long as there's some nominal involvement with the insurance industry prior to use.

The broader point: many people don't realize that just because you're paying into something doesn't necessarily mean it isn't welfare. In a democratic society with a lot of individualism and distrust of government, sometimes this "hack" is the best way to deliver a welfare state. See also: social security.

Re:Quarantine will normalize WFH and recession will denormal... by zaphirplane on Monday March 09, 2020 @01:52AM (#22523276)
Leaving the compassionate and human aspect out, because it’s not part of your point. Clearly if a subset of people are paying to cover those that are not, then the point is valid. Then you get into how much should a person pay thresholds, sliding scales ? Well then some are paying more than the cover they would get for themselves.