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Re:iOS now requires Sign On with Apple alongside other auth ... by bruceb on Saturday March 07, 2020 @05:36PM (#22514722)
Still seems a bit crazy. Dictating that apps have to have Apple login.

Seems no real justification other than Apple can use its power.

Re:iOS now requires Sign On with Apple alongside other auth ... by ocdtrekkie on Saturday March 07, 2020 @06:03PM (#22514878)
The important highlight is that Sign in with Apple allows somewhat anonymous login. So Apple can argue it is requiring everyone to support a more privacy-friendly login option.
Re:iOS now requires Sign On with Apple alongside other auth ... by ardit33 on Saturday March 07, 2020 @06:43PM (#22515082)
They are not....

They could have said, if your app has social network log in, must support a more anonymous way as well.... and not must support Apple's login service..... which might/might not be good for users....

Re:iOS now requires Sign On with Apple alongside other auth ... by notSupplied on Saturday March 07, 2020 @07:58PM (#22515477)
If you look at the rules, that is exactly what they are doing. If you provide a form of 3rd party login that isn’t the following things: (...list of sign ins that are all not the kind of “Sign in with Facebook / Google”, you are exempt.

So it seems pretty targeted:apps that provide FB or Google sign in must also provide Apple sign in, which has an anonymous option.

As a user I’m loving this. Worrysome use of AppStore power aside...

Re:iOS now requires Sign On with Apple alongside other auth ... by vbezhenar on Saturday March 07, 2020 @05:38PM (#22514733)
Apple store, apple rules.
Re:iOS now requires Sign On with Apple alongside other auth ... by RL_Quine on Saturday March 07, 2020 @06:18PM (#22514949)
Seems strange to me that people don't get this. If you don't like these rules, you're welcome to just not use their hardware. All of the rules Apple is implementing like this are by and large, for the benefit of the users, so I don't see the problem whatsoever.
Re:iOS now requires Sign On with Apple alongside other auth ... by ardit33 on Saturday March 07, 2020 @06:41PM (#22515067)
Lol... sure.....

I worked for Spotify, and apple did all kind of hoopla to delay/deny the iOS updates....

My favorite one: If you did tap at one of the support/help tabs, it would open a webpage, which contained the support text, and the app got rejected, because after about THREE links, that would lead to the homepage, and there was a premium offer, and you can't have it.....

They kept denying updates for reasons like that....

"Coincidentally" they released their streaming service that month....

That's extremely anti-competitive..... and it wasn't done for the benefit of the user, but for the benefit of Apple only. When a user buys a phone, they have a reasonable expectations that other apps would work, and you will not be forced to use apple only services (directly or indirectly).

I.e. they are false advertising their phones.....

Re:iOS now requires Sign On with Apple alongside other auth ... by briandear on Saturday March 07, 2020 @07:07PM (#22515175)
Does Spotify not work on iOS? Is this the same Spotify that originally required a Facebook account to sign up?
Re:iOS now requires Sign On with Apple alongside other auth ... by kimsant on Sunday March 08, 2020 @05:31AM (#22517165)
When clear objective anti competitive points are presented, lets switch attention to Facebook.
Re:iOS now requires Sign On with Apple alongside other auth ... by sneak on Saturday March 07, 2020 @06:37PM (#22515047)
Opinions vary. The lack of browser extensibility is not always a benefit to the user, for example.

Apple not permitting apps that display certain types of legal content in the App Store is not a benefit to users that like to produce or consume those types of content. Censorship sucks, even if Apple is legally permitted to do it because it’s their store. It’s rude.

Hopefully the rumor that Apple is soon going to let you select a different default browser/mail/music/photos app is true, and this will be less of an issue.

It will still be an issue because of the many types of apps that Apple simply censors entirely from the store, from Tumblr to Tor to VPNs in China.

Re:iOS now requires Sign On with Apple alongside other auth ... by Dahoon on Saturday March 07, 2020 @06:43PM (#22515079)
Luckily the law sees it differently than this or we would be drowning in monopolies.
Re:iOS now requires Sign On with Apple alongside other auth ... by tehbeard on Saturday March 07, 2020 @05:43PM (#22514764)
It seems like it would be a safer option for customers privacy wise Vs Facebook login. That said, uncomfortable questions have to be to asked if sign on with apple can be blocked to, by proxy, block/remove an app from the store.
Re:iOS now requires Sign On with Apple alongside other auth ... by 76543210 on Saturday March 07, 2020 @07:48PM (#22515428)
Another reason web apps are the future.

Don't develop for evil companies. I tried explaining this to my coworkers but they couldn't see beyond the $$$. Now I understand why Engineers take a 2 hour ethics class.

Re:iOS now requires Sign On with Apple alongside other auth ... by scarface74 on Saturday March 07, 2020 @08:35PM (#22515669)
If you have a web app that forces me to use a FB log in, I won’t use your app.
Re:iOS now requires Sign On with Apple alongside other auth ... by kitsunesoba on Saturday March 07, 2020 @10:43PM (#22516210)
Spot on. SIWA is great for me because a whole class of apps I previously refused to use are now on the table.

It effectively forces apps to have an anonymized email login option, and even better, if said app starts abusing its access to my inbox, I can cut it off permanently even if the app offers no such option.

Re:iOS now requires Sign On with Apple alongside other auth ... by briandear on Saturday March 07, 2020 @07:06PM (#22515170)
That’s not what it’s dictating.