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Re:Coronavirus: the second-weirdest solution? by hditorkeif on Saturday March 07, 2020 @08:45AM (#22511495)
The info from China shows that it spreads primarily through inhaling droplets, not through touching surfaces.

Which is why I expect the epidemic to be way way worse outside of Asia, since in the West people don't wear masks and are actively discouraged by the health authorities.

Re:Coronavirus: the second-weirdest solution? by dillonmckay on Saturday March 07, 2020 @09:15AM (#22511608)
From what I have observed, it seems both South Korea’s and China’s outbreaks are largest among cities near rivers.

I have also read of the virus being detected in feces.

Is it possible the virus is being spread via the water supply?

The waste treatment plants dump into the river, as well as septic runoff, and humans just deciding to defecate in or near the rivers.

Additionally, if it is possible for dogs to carry the virus, I assume it could be excreted via canine feces, as well.

If the water treatment plants are also using the river as the source of water, what prevents the virus from spreading this way?

Re:Coronavirus: the second-weirdest solution? by wavepruner on Saturday March 07, 2020 @06:38PM (#22515054)
I'm an environmental engineer with some experience in drinking water treatment.

I doubt it's in the drinking water. One of the oldest drinking water treatment methods would remove the virus: slow-sand filtration. Most places in China would at least use this, and South Korea is likely using more advanced technology.

Re:Coronavirus: the second-weirdest solution? by dillonmckay on Saturday March 07, 2020 @09:23PM (#22515890)
Is the reason sand filtration effective, because the virus is too big to fit between the sand particles as the water flows around it?

I have no clue on how it works, so any insight is appreciated.

Re:Coronavirus: the second-weirdest solution? by wavepruner on Sunday March 08, 2020 @12:21PM (#22518846)
The virus particles would be filtered out at the top layer of the sand filter, where a layer of microbes grow. This layer is referred to as the schmutzdecke. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schmutzdecke

Most of the filtering action happens in that layer. Viruses have no problem getting past sand particles.

Re:Coronavirus: the second-weirdest solution? by dillonmckay on Sunday March 08, 2020 @03:14PM (#22519906)
Thank you for that info.

I also found this report, which may be of interest, from the University of Arizona in 2008 for Coronavirus survival in water and wastewater:

https://west.arizona.edu/sites/default/files/data/Gundy2008_...

10 days or more in water, and 2 to 4 days in wastewater.

My local municipality only uses chlorine, so I am a bit concerned.

We had our own sand filtration system, but ‘decided’ to instead use the town next-door’s system, instead.

Re:Coronavirus: the second-weirdest solution? by dillonmckay on Saturday March 07, 2020 @08:42PM (#22515693)
I understand that is an older method, but I would be surprised if it is the method of choice for these cities.

What do you consider ‘advanced technology’?

Re:Coronavirus: the second-weirdest solution? by wavepruner on Sunday March 08, 2020 @12:35PM (#22518930)
I studied drinking water treatment in school and worked on a treatment plant design in Ecuador, so I do not have professional experience inside the current modern industry. But as far as I know slow-sand filtration and it's variants are still commonly used. Most of the improvements come from additional processes.

Improvements on slow-sand filtration are from additional pre-treatment methods, disinfection, more advanced filtration media like activated charcoal, and additional stages of filtration using a variety of media. Some high tech treatment plants are using biological membranes for wastewater-to-drinking-water treatment, but that's quite rare as far as I know.

Here's a decent primer of the commonly used processes: https://www.cdc.gov/healthywater/drinking/public/water_treat...

Re:Coronavirus: the second-weirdest solution? by wbl on Saturday March 07, 2020 @09:31AM (#22511663)
Chlorine. They put it in water for a reason.
Re:Coronavirus: the second-weirdest solution? by dillonmckay on Saturday March 07, 2020 @10:31AM (#22512014)
I upvoted you...

Right, but Chlorine is only effective against certain types of virii.

Some municipalities instead use some sort of chloramine, or both.

In, addition, neither of these is effective on some virii, so UV is used also.

I am no expert, but from what I have read so far, depending on the virus, the above solutions differ in effectiveness.

Re:Coronavirus: the second-weirdest solution? by bhaak on Saturday March 07, 2020 @09:06AM (#22511573)
I don't know how much you can chalk up to people wearing masks or rather the swift and rigorous isolation of affected areas.

I guess, we'll see soon enough how Italy is doing.

FWIW in Switzerland, the authorities recommend "social distancing". https://foph-coronavirus.ch/

Re:Coronavirus: the second-weirdest solution? by eloff on Saturday March 07, 2020 @08:54AM (#22511531)
I've heard the exact opposite. It spreads through droplets, but mostly through touch, not inhaling. Do you have a source?
Re:Coronavirus: the second-weirdest solution? by hnhg on Saturday March 07, 2020 @08:57AM (#22511542)
The WHO agrees with the OP:

'Both COVID-19 and influenza cause respiratory disease and spread the same way, via small droplets of fluid from the nose and mouth of someone who is sick.'

https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/detail/who-director-general-...

[Edit: however, I could see both of you being right with this quote]

Re:Coronavirus: the second-weirdest solution? by hditorkeif on Saturday March 07, 2020 @11:57AM (#22512531)