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Re:Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (... by analog31 on Thursday March 05, 2020 @07:40PM (#22500043)
Even for a typical office worker, based on my experience at a large company, there might be 10 to 20 enterprise apps that include:

  * Tracking work hours
  * Communicating within teams
  * Entering and managing yearly performance reviews
  * Managing IT tickets
  * Catching spyware, phishing, etc.
  * Key and click logging
  * Personality and other screenings for job candidates
  * Health insurance management
  * Jira being used outside of software development
  * Database for archiving HR announcements
  * Password management for the above
In general, the prosperity of a business is a balance of assets and liabilities, and a software purchase is both, since it involves a cost. Managers promote purchases based on a variety of factors relative to the business and their own personal ambitions. There's no magic that makes managers so brilliant in the face of a salesman that they only make beneficial decisions, or that purchases are inherently beneficial, just because the product is software.
Re:Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (... by IggleSniggle on Thursday March 05, 2020 @08:12PM (#22500206)
> * Key and click logging

What kind of dystopian Corporate hellscapes have you worked in?

This is totally unacceptable. I would not submit myself to that kind of scrutiny or micromanagement, no matter how benign the intentions of it's implementor. Nothing good can come of it.

Re:Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (... by TuringNYC on Thursday March 05, 2020 @08:39PM (#22500326)
>> I would not submit myself to that kind of scrutiny or micromanagement

In many cases, you may not even realize it is running.

Re:Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (... by brazzy on Friday March 06, 2020 @01:59AM (#22501517)
That just makes it super extra illegal.
Re:Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (... by TuringNYC on Friday March 06, 2020 @08:30AM (#22503357)
IANAL, but my understanding is: - lots of allowances are declared by employers in their handbooks in the US. - unless there are specific union restrictions and/or state provisions, it is probably not illegal
Re:Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (... by brazzy on Friday March 06, 2020 @09:46AM (#22503923)
OK, so the USA is mostly a dystopian corporate hellscape. Not that surprising, I guess.
Re:Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (... by qrbLPHiKpiux on Thursday March 05, 2020 @08:17PM (#22500223)
Some people do. I still blame the human for the software we have today.
Re:Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (... by _red on Friday March 06, 2020 @05:17AM (#22502422)
> I would not submit myself to that kind of scrutiny or micromanagement,

Says the gmail, google, facebook, android user.

Re:Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (... by peteforde on Friday March 06, 2020 @12:37AM (#22501232)
Keylogging is illegal almost everywhere.

If you suspect that your current or former employer is monitoring people's keystrokes, please contact the appropriate authorities to start a whistleblower process.

Re:Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (... by WrtCdEvrydy on Friday March 06, 2020 @01:02AM (#22501315)
Keylogging of any company provided hardware is probably legal as you have no expectation of privacy.
Re:Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (... by Silhouette on Friday March 06, 2020 @01:25AM (#22501394)
Fortunately, much of the world is more enlightened than this, and its legal systems do favour the privacy of employees over the voyeuristic ambitions of bad management under normal circumstances. In many places, the idea that you have no entitlement to personal privacy just because you are working for someone else would be widely derided.

There are often special cases in the laws for when covert monitoring is genuinely justified, for example when there is a reasonable suspicion of wrong-doing by an employee or there are serious security concerns that legitimately require stronger measures. But intrusive surveillance by default, even of employees using company resources on company time, is not permitted in these jurisdictions.

Re:Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (... by peteforde on Friday March 06, 2020 @01:34AM (#22501419)
Beautifully said.

I would only add that in the extraordinary case of a legal investigation, there's still no room for vigilante spying by the employer themselves. Presumably, law enforcement would take necessary steps to intervene, not the employer.

Re:Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (... by peteforde on Friday March 06, 2020 @01:23AM (#22501387)
Re:Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (... by adrianN on Friday March 06, 2020 @01:12AM (#22501352)
Maybe in your jurisdiction, but certainly not here in Germany.
Re:Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (... by UweSchmidt on Friday March 06, 2020 @05:28AM (#22502479)
I do expect privacy, and find the idea of a middle manager or hr person digging through a employee keylogger output file revolting. It's a truly degenerate state of employer-employee relationship if this is even conceivable.
Re:Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (... by HenryBemis on Friday March 06, 2020 @01:56AM (#22501512)
Ladies and Gentlemen no fighting!!

Why bother logging keystrokes and clicks, when there is BlueCoat that in real time decrypts, reads, logs/reports, encrypts EVERYTHING that comes in and out of your PC?

Re:Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (... by pageandrew on Thursday March 05, 2020 @08:08PM (#22500188)
Key and click logging?!?!?
Re:Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (... by analog31 on Thursday March 05, 2020 @11:57PM (#22501098)
Note, this list is based on things I've read about, but I don't actually know what specific security software is typically used by a large employer.
Re:Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (... by sswaner on Friday March 06, 2020 @08:00AM (#22503209)
It is a good list, I would add: * Office software (Office365 or G Suite) * Record Management and Workflow * Regulatory Reporting Management * Contract Management * Financial ledger management * Data analytics / business intelligence * Logging and monitoring, log retention * Cloud hosting * Vendor Management * Travel Planning and Expense Management * Cloud Telephony * Mobile Device Management