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Re:People kept working, became healthier while on basic inco... by AnthonyMouse on Thursday March 05, 2020 @10:59AM (#22494666)
> Lower unemployment would be associated with a greater availability of goods and services, so that would get it out of the trap.

That's assuming the goods and services are locally consumed, which in a global economy they're commonly not.

A jet engine factory that moves in and hires a bunch of people reduces local unemployment, but that doesn't mean any of the local workers are in the market for jet engines.

> Higher wages would also be associated with a supply increase if they came with increased productivity, but if you raised the minimum wage then prices of low-end products might actually go up.

Same problem again. If a jet engine factory opens up in a place with already-low unemployment and pays better wages, people quit their lower paying jobs to take the higher paying ones, but that doesn't mean any of the productivity increase is relevant to local housing markets. The workers still aren't in the market for jet engines, but they'll bid up the local housing stock if zoning constrains any more from being built.

The premise that a UBI would increase housing costs is also basically assuming that the money comes from nowhere. If the money was printed that would be the case -- but that's an instance of "printing money causes inflation" rather than "UBI causes inflation." If it comes from collecting taxes then the people who receive it have more money, but the people who pay the tax have less, which more or less cancels out. (Especially when, as with the people in the middle, they're actually the same people and the UBI and the tax directly cancel out.)

Re:People kept working, became healthier while on basic inco... by whatshisface on Thursday March 05, 2020 @11:02AM (#22494692)
>That's assuming the goods and services are locally consumed, which in a global economy they're commonly not.

But in a global economy that's irrelevant: the greater availability of jet engines where they are used will cascade eventually into a greater availability of bowling balls in the town where they make jet engines.

Re:People kept working, became healthier while on basic inco... by AnthonyMouse on Thursday March 05, 2020 @11:34AM (#22495049)
But in this case "bowling balls" is really "whatever the workers buy with their money" -- if local housing is supply constrained so they have to spend it bidding up housing prices, they don't get so many bowling balls.

This is still a "constraining the housing supply is bad" problem, not a "higher wages are bad" problem.

Re:People kept working, became healthier while on basic inco... by nybble41 on Friday March 06, 2020 @05:35PM (#22507989)
> If [UBI] comes from collecting taxes then the people who receive it have more money, but the people who pay the tax have less, which more or less cancels out.

It doesn't cancel out because the people receiving the UBI tend to buy different goods than the people paying the tax. Fewer people bidding up prices on yachts and capital, more people bidding up basic goods and services.