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Re:Elon Musk’s plan to build one Starship a week and settle ... by aguyfromnb on Thursday March 05, 2020 @10:37AM (#22494389)
>So yes it seems reasonable to me that these are groundbreaking challenges.

Isn't weld strength something engineers would know/understand in advance, though? How would it come as a surprise that the welds would fail under pressure?

It seems strange to me that Musk could be spending so much time working on Starship, and somehow a "badly designed, badly built, and badly checked" rocket makes it to the platform and explodes.

Re:Elon Musk’s plan to build one Starship a week and settle ... by zchrykng on Thursday March 05, 2020 @10:58AM (#22494646)
Welding by hand is both an art and a science. There is going to be variability in the quality of the weld, which will introduce variability into the strength. Machines can be far more precise and consistent compared to humans.

They probably designed their tolerances assuming perfect welds and then didn't have them.

Re:Elon Musk’s plan to build one Starship a week and settle ... by aguyfromnb on Thursday March 05, 2020 @12:59PM (#22496123)
>They probably designed their tolerances assuming perfect welds and then didn't have them.

This sounds like terrible engineering practice.

Re:Elon Musk’s plan to build one Starship a week and settle ... by varjag on Thursday March 05, 2020 @04:56PM (#22498781)
It's perfectly normal engineering practice. Camshaft, gearbox profiles, and bearing surfaces in your car have very tight tolerances. A one slightly unbalanced turbine blade in your airliner engine would assure catastrophic failure. etc etc
Re:Elon Musk’s plan to build one Starship a week and settle ... by aguyfromnb on Friday March 06, 2020 @06:51AM (#22502872)
Do you not see a difference between the intricate components of an engine and the welds on a tank as far as complexity?

Is it even possible to discuss anything Elon Musk anymore without 100% praise of his engineering prowess? Every single comment gets down-voted into oblivion, with very few replies. And, due to the "cool off", this prevents any balanced discourse.

Re:Elon Musk’s plan to build one Starship a week and settle ... by Bendingo on Thursday March 05, 2020 @08:11PM (#22500200)
Yes, but these items (camshaft, gearbox etc) are not made "by hand".
Re:Elon Musk’s plan to build one Starship a week and settle ... by varjag on Friday March 06, 2020 @04:01AM (#22502058)
Camshafts were turned then ground manually on line lathes and surface grinders for many decades before advent of CNC, with about the same degree of dimensional precision as today.

It is more an issue of quality control and inspection routines.

Re:Elon Musk’s plan to build one Starship a week and settle ... by irrational on Thursday March 05, 2020 @03:39PM (#22497920)
Necessity is the mother of invention?
Re:Elon Musk’s plan to build one Starship a week and settle ... by grey-area on Thursday March 05, 2020 @01:58PM (#22496784)
There are additional constraints not found in most welding projects. They can’t just make the material and weld thicker/heavier as that would impact the rocket performance.

So it has to be as thin and fragile as possible but no thinner. That makes it very hard to get right, and the welds have to be done to very fine tolerances on thin material, you could say it is rocket science.

Re:Elon Musk’s plan to build one Starship a week and settle ... by aguyfromnb on Friday March 06, 2020 @07:03AM (#22502927)
>They can’t just make the material and weld thicker/heavier as that would impact the rocket performance.

I understand. But the stresses that materials and welds can withstand are not unknown variables. We're talking about a pressurized tank here. You aren't going to build a rocket (designed to carry people) that has tolerances so tight that it's touch and go whether it explodes as soon as it's pressurized.

Re:Elon Musk’s plan to build one Starship a week and settle ... by 101404 on Thursday March 05, 2020 @10:44AM (#22494471)
They are currently not primarily working on the rocket, but in the production process.