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Re:Google Kubernetes Engine is introducing a cluster managem... by bluhbi on Wednesday March 04, 2020 @03:33PM (#22487743)
Thats for me the most frustrating thing with GCP, AWS and Azure. I would never use them as a very early small 3 people startup or for private reasons.

There is no billing protection (which could make you very poor very fast) and every service has a certain cost and quality which is just not feasable in the beginning.

Even GKE with its free kubernetes master does block a lot of resources on the nodes: https://cloud.google.com/kubernetes-engine/docs/concepts/clu...

Also a ton of great features on gke you will probably never use if you are too small. It is so much cheaper to just get cheap hardware somewhere and put your own k8s onto it if you have more time then money.

Even on Digital Ocean you have the load balancer problem: you need to use the provided and also 'costly' LoadBalancer service. There is only one hacky way to prevent it by exposing your ingress on the host and mapping that one ip but then you loose all the self healing stuff and loadbalancing capability.

Re:Google Kubernetes Engine is introducing a cluster managem... by ak217 on Wednesday March 04, 2020 @09:52PM (#22490516)
Both AWS and Google offer free tier products and pay-for-what-you-use products. Reserved instance pricing starts at around $25/year. Many other incredibly useful products (S3, Lambda, VPC, etc.) are free with an instance or start at $0.

You can set billing alerts that will project your monthly budget every hour, and send you an alert when it's projected to be exceeded.

IMHO your claim (that there is an entry cost barrier) is the opposite of reality. AWS and Google have brought incredible power and choice to developers starting at zero initial cost.

Re:Google Kubernetes Engine is introducing a cluster managem... by fluuuhi on Thursday March 05, 2020 @04:20AM (#22492124)
My main concern is, that i can't define an upper limit. My billing alert is nice and im aware of it, but it doesn't help you if someone takes over your account, mines bitcoins on expensive machines and a day later you read your email.
Re:Google Kubernetes Engine is introducing a cluster managem... by ak217 on Thursday March 05, 2020 @09:54AM (#22493958)
AWS refunds you when that happens.

The fundamental issue with setting a limit is it's technically infeasible to decide what to do when it's exceeded. They have no way of knowing what assets to terminate. The way to avoid what you describe is to shut off access to APIs that you don't want to use, and keep your credentials safe.

Re:Google Kubernetes Engine is introducing a cluster managem... by pbalau on Friday March 06, 2020 @07:15AM (#22502979)
AWS has budgets that do exactly what you want. For the "cost budget": "Monitor your costs against a specified dollar amount and receive alerts when your user-defined thresholds are met."
Re:Google Kubernetes Engine is introducing a cluster managem... by scarface74 on Wednesday March 04, 2020 @09:55PM (#22490526)
If I’m running a startup trying to develop a product with limited staff, the last thing I want to be worried about is the “undifferentiated heavy lifting”. I want to be concentrating on what is going to add business value.

Then again, I know enough about AWS and how to control my cost.

Re:Google Kubernetes Engine is introducing a cluster managem... by fosk on Wednesday March 04, 2020 @06:02PM (#22489111)
> you loose all the self healing stuff and loadbalancing capability.

I mean, yes? You can either build your own for “free”, or pay for the value-add features DO provides that you have described. I don’t see where the problem is.

Re:Google Kubernetes Engine is introducing a cluster managem... by amq on Thursday March 05, 2020 @02:09AM (#22491557)
Good point about GKE blocking resources on the nodes. I wish they would at least allow more control over that with the introduction of the master fees.