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Right now with k8s it is definit a 'ongoing maintenance'. We allocate around 0.5-2 pt per week on only doing that. If we would not do that, most of our stuff would be already outdated.

I know already too many people which are stuck at a certain k8s version. Do not allow that to happen!

Thats for me the most frustrating thing with GCP, AWS and Azure. I would never use them as a very early small 3 people startup or for private reasons.

There is no billing protection (which could make you very poor very fast) and every service has a certain cost and quality which is just not feasable in the beginning.

Even GKE with its free kubernetes master does block a lot of resources on the nodes: https://cloud.google.com/kubernetes-engine/docs/concepts/clu...

Also a ton of great features on gke you will probably never use if you are too small. It is so much cheaper to just get cheap hardware somewhere and put your own k8s onto it if you have more time then money.

Even on Digital Ocean you have the load balancer problem: you need to use the provided and also 'costly' LoadBalancer service. There is only one hacky way to prevent it by exposing your ingress on the host and mapping that one ip but then you loose all the self healing stuff and loadbalancing capability.

What? Shouldn't you try to make the creation and deletion of your staging cluster cheap instead of moving it to somewhere else?

And if that is your central infrastructure, shouldn't it be worth the money?

I do get the issue with having cheap and beefy hardware somewhere else, i do that as well, but only for private. My hourly salary spending or wasting time on stuff like that costs the company more than just paying for an additional cluster with the same settings but perhaps with much less Nodes.

If more than one person is using it, the multiplication effects for suddenly unproductive people, is much higher. Also that decreases the per head cost.

Its still billed by the minute. If you run your dev clusters all the time 24x7 then they apparently are critical enough.

yes

The salary of people working and using those 'tools' this infrastructure is higher then 300$.

If your kubernetes cluster is part of your core infrastructure, then 300$ more or less should not be an issue at all (not to say that i think 300$ is nothing).

That should not mean that you should waste money but often enough, if you buy cheap and your hardware breaks and your time&material costs much more then what a better hardware would have cost, then you wasted money by buying cheap.

Unfortunate with IT products, there are certain things which are not directly visible: Like how secure is your product. GCP offers 2FA, Digital Ocean does not. How much money is it worth to you to have your whole infrastructure protected by 2FA? For me in a business context, non 2FA would be a no go.