How about a straightforward response, rather than trying to change the subject again?

What's more, I've seen this interview multiple times. Listening to Gosling stutter and be coy is not illuminating in the least. He has no idea how to answer the question he was asked, much less what's being discussed here now.

Can you substantiate your claim or not?

Sun as copyright holder had the right to constraint Java's usage as they wanted and embedded deployment wasn't covered.

Naturally it is hard for anyone to link to anything Sun, given what happened with their assets and Internet presence.

Is a substantiate argument? Maybe not, it doesn't change the fact that Google screwed Sun, didn't bothered to rescued it went it went down, and now we have Java and Android Java.

I guess FSF is happy with the outcome then, since it is allowed to tank companies.

> Sun as copyright holder had the right to constraint Java's usage

Sure. But what they don't have is domain over the GPL.

I won't respond to the rest of your comment, which has nothing to do with the claim you made to kick off this branch of discussion and is just another attempt to change the subject (with what is an opinion, not a "fact").

This will be my last comment here.