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Re:Relating natural language aptitude to differences in lear... by username90 on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @06:16PM (#22479663)
A majority of Europeans speak 2 languages, a quarter speaks 3 or more. So it isn't a white thing, it is an American thing. And it isn't because Americans are dumber than Europeans, it is just because learning new languages makes more sense for Europeans than for Americans due to those languages being smaller and foreign languages being physically closer.

Also mastering a single language is harder than learning to get by in multiple languages, as even though a majority of Europeans can speak multiple languages a majority of them are not really all that good even in their mother tongue as we can see from standardized testing. They aren't worse than Americans, but they aren't better either, they get roughly the same results.

Re:Relating natural language aptitude to differences in lear... by throwaway468883 on Wednesday March 04, 2020 @04:28AM (#22482320)
>A majority of Europeans speak 2 languages, a quarter speaks 3 or more.

You haven't met many Europeans have you. Not all of them are Dutch, Scandinavian, urban youth or immigrants.

>a majority of them are not really all that good even in their mother tongue as we can see from standardized testing

This makes no sense. You can't be not good in your mother tongue - it's your mother tongue. Standardized testing has no say about how a language is structured, that's an absurdly prescriptivist point of view. As for foreign language ability, in real life it's not assessed by making them sit down and pass test questions, it's assessed by having them speak and write close to a native. Someone who casually uses slang, "bad forms" and occasionally makes native-sounding mistakes is more proficient at a language than someone who speaks an academic version of it and got good grades at a test.

Re:Relating natural language aptitude to differences in lear... by throwawaybbb on Wednesday March 04, 2020 @06:21AM (#22482822)
I had a great-grandmother from rural Moldova. She spoke Vlach, Bulgarian and Russian.

Speaking three languages is not a big deal when you live in a village where everyone else speaks them.

Re:Relating natural language aptitude to differences in lear... by throwaway468883 on Wednesday March 04, 2020 @08:13AM (#22483435)
Apologies, I'll amend my previous comment.

>You haven't met many Europeans have you. Not all of them are Dutch, Scandinavian, urban youth, immigrants or throwawaybbb's great-grand-mother.

Re:Relating natural language aptitude to differences in lear... by throwawaybbb on Friday March 06, 2020 @06:45PM (#22508466)
My grandmother knew 6 languages.